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I was surprised Democrats didn’t compromise on that, I think they are too focused on making Trump fail at any cost. I’m all for increased immigration and amnes

by dahdum 9y ago

I was surprised Democrats didn’t compromise on that, I think they are too focused on making Trump fail at any cost. I’m all for increased immigration and amnesty, but I’m not in support of open borders, so a compromise for increased border security sounded like good policy to me.

ModernMech 9y ago
No one is seriously proposing open boarders. Anyone on the right telling you otherwise is selling you a straw man. And let's all remember, a border without a wall is not an "open" border. That's not what that means.
- dahdum 9y ago
  I consider them open now, in practice not law. Despite also supporting amnesty, chain migration, and increased visa quotas I’ve been told I’m racist for wanting a secure border. Racist for not supporting border policies that create an underclass of undocumented, helpless workers.
  - digitaltrees 9y ago
    Open boarders worked well in the early united states. I don't want to go back to closed boarders between New York and New Jersey.
    - dragonwriter 9y ago
      > Open boarders Is that a new term for nautical piracy now that “piracy” has been stolen for copyright infringement?
    - dahdum 9y ago
      Uncapped unskilled immigration works great when you have jobs available, and early America had plenty of those. Coupled with zero entitlement programs it was a perfect recipe for growth. Doesn't work so well now, it would put enormous pressure on social programs already near their breaking point, and drive unemployment sky high as unskilled jobs are diminishing. Crime would increase as poverty is positive correlated. However, if you make it past that initial surge, the 2nd generation could provide an enormous boost to the economy as long as education was prioritized. Compare to uncapped skilled immigration and it's a much higher risk.
      - digitaltrees 9y ago
        Rome had more than one tier of member of society, (eg citizen and non citizens) you could tie social benefits to certain social performance expectations such as military service, length of residency. I am not advocating open boarders or a multi tier citizen status structure merely showing possible solutions.
notfromhere 9y ago
They offered wall funding for a DACA fix. White House decided to change the deal and push for the whole RAISE Act. That's the definition of giving an inch and taking a mile.

by dahdum 9y ago

ModernMech 9y ago

No one is seriously proposing open boarders. Anyone on the right telling you otherwise is selling you a straw man. And let's all remember, a border without a wall is not an "open" border. That's not what that means.

dahdum 9y ago
I consider them open now, in practice not law. Despite also supporting amnesty, chain migration, and increased visa quotas I’ve been told I’m racist for wanting a secure border. Racist for not supporting border policies that create an underclass of undocumented, helpless workers.
- digitaltrees 9y ago
  Open boarders worked well in the early united states. I don't want to go back to closed boarders between New York and New Jersey.
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    > Open boarders Is that a new term for nautical piracy now that “piracy” has been stolen for copyright infringement?
  - dahdum 9y ago
    Uncapped unskilled immigration works great when you have jobs available, and early America had plenty of those. Coupled with zero entitlement programs it was a perfect recipe for growth. Doesn't work so well now, it would put enormous pressure on social programs already near their breaking point, and drive unemployment sky high as unskilled jobs are diminishing. Crime would increase as poverty is positive correlated. However, if you make it past that initial surge, the 2nd generation could provide an enormous boost to the economy as long as education was prioritized. Compare to uncapped skilled immigration and it's a much higher risk.
    - digitaltrees 9y ago
      Rome had more than one tier of member of society, (eg citizen and non citizens) you could tie social benefits to certain social performance expectations such as military service, length of residency. I am not advocating open boarders or a multi tier citizen status structure merely showing possible solutions.

notfromhere 9y ago

They offered wall funding for a DACA fix. White House decided to change the deal and push for the whole RAISE Act. That's the definition of giving an inch and taking a mile.