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I'm not sure that abstinence works. Btw you know of course that many boys are put on officially-sanctioned drugs at school? Should we put them on those drugs in

I'm not sure that abstinence works. Btw you know of course that many boys are put on officially-sanctioned drugs at school? Should we put them on those drugs instead?

neaden 9y ago
Are you trying to segue into a discussion on over prescription of ADHD medication? I don't really see what the one has to do with the other but sure, they are both problems. But you can't just say two things are drugs so they are equal. I take a drug first thing every morning for my allergies for instance. Edit: You edited your reply after I started. I think abstinence works fine for something like nicotine. Unlike say sex humans don't have any innate craving for nicotine, I've never consumed it in my entire life and I don't feel like I've missed out on anything.
- truculation 9y ago
  It's because you've never consumed it that you don't miss it.
  - neaden 9y ago
    I think you are being unclear here. I took your remark on abstinence to be a reference to abstinence only sex education, as I think most readers did. If you are asking how we can help teens with a nicotine addiction to break it then there are a variety of ways that have been shown to work in helping someone break addiction, so schools, parents, and healthcare providers can support those.
    - truculation 9y ago
      The article begs to differ. They fear a whole new generation of nicotine addicts. Hence my question. Btw, do you know if schools in the U.S. sell sweets? (My school used to have a 'tuck shop' for this purpose).
      - neaden 9y ago
        I don't see how the article disagrees with what I just said. I really think you are being unclear here in what you are trying to say. Are you asking specifically what should schools due to assist nicotine users to quit, or something else?
ebbv 9y ago
Abstinence isn't effective? For sex maybe. For smoking it is, though. It's the most successful method of quitting.
- truculation 9y ago
  Yes but what's the success rate?
  - ebbv 9y ago
    The success rate of never smoking/vaping in the first place is 100%. The success rate of quitting is really up to the individual, much like weight loss or other self improvement stuff. But even if it's hard it's the thing you should do. I'm really not sure what you're arguing. "Quitting is hard and a lot of people fail so .. don't quit." That's some lame mentality right there.
    - truculation 9y ago
      >"Quitting is hard and a lot of people fail so .. don't quit." No, I asked: what should vaping be replaced with?
      - ebbv 9y ago
        Oh my god are you serious with this? I’m gonna guess from the quality of this exchange you vape.
        dang 9y ago
        Would you please do a better job of following the site guidelines? You frequently either cross the line or straddle it. By doing this, you damage the community in its most vulnerable place. I'm sure you wouldn't do that with other shared resources, and since you use HN, we'd appreciate your helping to take care of it as well, even when other comments are annoying, wrong, or absurd. Especially then. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I'm not sure that abstinence works. Btw you know of course that many boys are put on officially-sanctioned drugs at school? Should we put them on those drugs instead?

neaden 9y ago

Are you trying to segue into a discussion on over prescription of ADHD medication? I don't really see what the one has to do with the other but sure, they are both problems. But you can't just say two things are drugs so they are equal. I take a drug first thing every morning for my allergies for instance. Edit: You edited your reply after I started. I think abstinence works fine for something like nicotine. Unlike say sex humans don't have any innate craving for nicotine, I've never consumed it in my entire life and I don't feel like I've missed out on anything.

truculation 9y ago
It's because you've never consumed it that you don't miss it.
- neaden 9y ago
  I think you are being unclear here. I took your remark on abstinence to be a reference to abstinence only sex education, as I think most readers did. If you are asking how we can help teens with a nicotine addiction to break it then there are a variety of ways that have been shown to work in helping someone break addiction, so schools, parents, and healthcare providers can support those.
  - truculation 9y ago
    The article begs to differ. They fear a whole new generation of nicotine addicts. Hence my question. Btw, do you know if schools in the U.S. sell sweets? (My school used to have a 'tuck shop' for this purpose).
    - neaden 9y ago
      I don't see how the article disagrees with what I just said. I really think you are being unclear here in what you are trying to say. Are you asking specifically what should schools due to assist nicotine users to quit, or something else?

ebbv 9y ago

Abstinence isn't effective? For sex maybe. For smoking it is, though. It's the most successful method of quitting.

truculation 9y ago
Yes but what's the success rate?
- ebbv 9y ago
  The success rate of never smoking/vaping in the first place is 100%. The success rate of quitting is really up to the individual, much like weight loss or other self improvement stuff. But even if it's hard it's the thing you should do. I'm really not sure what you're arguing. "Quitting is hard and a lot of people fail so .. don't quit." That's some lame mentality right there.
  - truculation 9y ago
    >"Quitting is hard and a lot of people fail so .. don't quit." No, I asked: what should vaping be replaced with?
    - ebbv 9y ago
      Oh my god are you serious with this? I’m gonna guess from the quality of this exchange you vape.
      - dang 9y ago
        Would you please do a better job of following the site guidelines? You frequently either cross the line or straddle it. By doing this, you damage the community in its most vulnerable place. I'm sure you wouldn't do that with other shared resources, and since you use HN, we'd appreciate your helping to take care of it as well, even when other comments are annoying, wrong, or absurd. Especially then. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html