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I wonder how much Cloudflare paid/pays for the 1.1.1.1

by JepZ 9y ago

larrybud 9y ago
Read the announcement: https://blog.cloudflare.com/announcing-1111/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/announcing-1111/ "APNIC's research group held the IP addresses 1.1.1.1 and 1.0.0.1. While the addresses were valid, so many people had entered them into various random systems that they were continuously overwhelmed by a flood of garbage traffic. APNIC wanted to study this garbage traffic but any time they'd tried to announce the IPs, the flood would overwhelm any conventional network. We talked to the APNIC team about how we wanted to create a privacy-first, extremely fast DNS system. They thought it was a laudable goal. We offered Cloudflare's network to receive and study the garbage traffic in exchange for being able to offer a DNS resolver on the memorable IPs. And, with that, 1.1.1.1 was born."
- stordoff 9y ago
  Have they discussed what this means in terms of the privacy promises? What "garbage traffic" does APNIC have access to in order to study?
  - burntwater 9y ago
    I think that's part of the point of all this - to find out what all that garbage traffic is.
  - X-Istence 9y ago
    HA failover pings that get routed rather than being sent to their peer, captive portal requests that no longer exist. Things of that nature. There is a lot of documentation, Cisco being one of the primary at-fault companies, that uses 1.1.1.1 for all kinds of various internal configuration. Given hundreds of thousands of devices configured with 1.1.1.1, even a simple misconfiguration on just 10% of those is a lot of garbage traffic.
notreallyauser 9y ago
No cash outlay. Read the blog, but tl;dr is that it's quid pro quo as the owners can't afford to stand it up due to the volume of junk traffic (but want to, to study the junk) -- cloudflare can and will let the owner study the junk. What cloudflare don't say in any of their materials that I've seen is the agreement is for an initial 5 years, so YMMV after that.

I wonder how much Cloudflare paid/pays for the 1.1.1.1

by JepZ 9y ago

I wonder how much Cloudflare paid/pays for the 1.1.1.1

Read the announcement: https://blog.cloudflare.com/announcing-1111/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/announcing-1111/ "APNIC's research group held the IP addresses 1.1.1.1 and 1.0.0.1. While the addresses were valid, so many people had entered them into various random systems that they were continuously overwhelmed by a flood of garbage traffic. APNIC wanted to study this garbage traffic but any time they'd tried to announce the IPs, the flood would overwhelm any conventional network. We talked to the APNIC team about how we wanted to create a privacy-first, extremely fast DNS system. They thought it was a laudable goal. We offered Cloudflare's network to receive and study the garbage traffic in exchange for being able to offer a DNS resolver on the memorable IPs. And, with that, 1.1.1.1 was born."

stordoff 9y ago
Have they discussed what this means in terms of the privacy promises? What "garbage traffic" does APNIC have access to in order to study?
- burntwater 9y ago
  I think that's part of the point of all this - to find out what all that garbage traffic is.
- X-Istence 9y ago
  HA failover pings that get routed rather than being sent to their peer, captive portal requests that no longer exist. Things of that nature. There is a lot of documentation, Cisco being one of the primary at-fault companies, that uses 1.1.1.1 for all kinds of various internal configuration. Given hundreds of thousands of devices configured with 1.1.1.1, even a simple misconfiguration on just 10% of those is a lot of garbage traffic.

notreallyauser 9y ago

No cash outlay. Read the blog, but tl;dr is that it's quid pro quo as the owners can't afford to stand it up due to the volume of junk traffic (but want to, to study the junk) -- cloudflare can and will let the owner study the junk. What cloudflare don't say in any of their materials that I've seen is the agreement is for an initial 5 years, so YMMV after that.