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I think it is possible that the Tempe police chief and mayor anticipated the incident could be a problem for them, especially given the secret agreement that la

I think it is possible that the Tempe police chief and mayor anticipated the incident could be a problem for them, especially given the secret agreement that later came out, and chose to try to spin the story on their own account. It is not hard to imagine that, in that frame of mind, they might be receptive to someone from Uber saying "clearly this was unavoidable", but I have no way of knowing whether any such conversation took place. Then there is the question of whether the Uber-supplied video accurately represents the lighting conditions at the time... This may seem unduly conspiratorial, but I gave both Uber and the Tempe administration the benefit of the doubt until it became clear that the initial reports were innaccurate and less complete than they could have been.

atomical 9y ago
> Then there is the question of whether the Uber-supplied video accurately represents the lighting conditions at the time... Why would that matter? The issue here is that the LIDAR system failed to detect the pedestrian.
- newnewpdro 9y ago
  It's of tremendous importance from the perspective of public perception of who's at fault. If the average observer watching the published video arrives at a conclusion of "well I would have hit that person too, she appeared out of nowhere in front of the car", it obviously matters.
  - atomical 9y ago
    It's not important at all. There's a bug in Uber's software. That's what we should be talking about.
    - mannykannot 9y ago
      It does seem that there is a problem with the vehicle's lidar or the associated software, so does it not strike you as strange that the story being pushed claimed that the victim "came out of the shadows", which is a misleading irrelevance if lidar is the primary sensing technology? Especially as the unrealistically dark video does not even seem to fit that story.
      - atomical 9y ago
        Yes. That's why I am posting in this thread.
        mannykannot 9y ago
        Sorry, I misunderstood your point.
rtkwe 9y ago
It seems like the dash cam video released is very misleading there's been a couple people who've driven through the same area at night and it is well lit. [0] From the Uber cam it seems like the light is still on because there's a bright glow about where streetlights are in the other videos. It's kind of shocking just how bad the dash cam of the incident actually is unless the lights were recently (because there's still the glow) off for some reason before dawn (poorly implemented scheduling maybe?). The difference between the Uber dash cam [1] and the one posted to youtube is stark [2]. It's certainly darker where she comes from but no where near impossible. Source the ArsTechnica article [3] [0] https://youtu.be/CRW0q8i3u6E?t=32 https://youtu.be/CRW0q8i3u6E?t=32 [1] https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Screen-Shot-2018-03-22-at-10.34.27-PM.png https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Scree... [2] https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/kaufman_tempe.png https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/kaufm... [3] https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/03/police-chief-said-uber-victim-came-from-the-shadows-dont-believe-it/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/03/police-chief-said-uber-...

atomical 9y ago

> Then there is the question of whether the Uber-supplied video accurately represents the lighting conditions at the time... Why would that matter? The issue here is that the LIDAR system failed to detect the pedestrian.

newnewpdro 9y ago
It's of tremendous importance from the perspective of public perception of who's at fault. If the average observer watching the published video arrives at a conclusion of "well I would have hit that person too, she appeared out of nowhere in front of the car", it obviously matters.
- atomical 9y ago
  It's not important at all. There's a bug in Uber's software. That's what we should be talking about.
  - mannykannot 9y ago
    It does seem that there is a problem with the vehicle's lidar or the associated software, so does it not strike you as strange that the story being pushed claimed that the victim "came out of the shadows", which is a misleading irrelevance if lidar is the primary sensing technology? Especially as the unrealistically dark video does not even seem to fit that story.
    - atomical 9y ago
      Yes. That's why I am posting in this thread.
      - mannykannot 9y ago
        Sorry, I misunderstood your point.

rtkwe 9y ago

It seems like the dash cam video released is very misleading there's been a couple people who've driven through the same area at night and it is well lit. [0] From the Uber cam it seems like the light is still on because there's a bright glow about where streetlights are in the other videos. It's kind of shocking just how bad the dash cam of the incident actually is unless the lights were recently (because there's still the glow) off for some reason before dawn (poorly implemented scheduling maybe?). The difference between the Uber dash cam [1] and the one posted to youtube is stark [2]. It's certainly darker where she comes from but no where near impossible. Source the ArsTechnica article [3] [0] https://youtu.be/CRW0q8i3u6E?t=32 https://youtu.be/CRW0q8i3u6E?t=32 [1] https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Screen-Shot-2018-03-22-at-10.34.27-PM.png https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Scree... [2] https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/kaufman_tempe.png https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/kaufm... [3] https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/03/police-chief-said-uber-victim-came-from-the-shadows-dont-believe-it/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/03/police-chief-said-uber-...