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If they are a party to the investigation, ignoring the non-disclosure rules makes Tesla seem to me like a dodgy company willing to act against established norms

If they are a party to the investigation, ignoring the non-disclosure rules makes Tesla seem to me like a dodgy company willing to act against established norms designed to ensure transport safety, and I hope they get the book thrown at them for it. If they are not a party to the investigation, I'd question why not. When was the last time an aircraft manufacturer declined to be a party to the investigation? They recognise that if they get a reputation for being unsafe that has repercussions for future sales; I'd hope the same was true of car manufacturers! To me, there's literally no way this makes Tesla look good.

TAForObvReasons 9y ago
"Move fast and break things", including non-disclosure agreements and established norms :/
ethbro 9y ago
Isn't that a lose/lose for Tesla? Are not a party to the investigation -- motives questioned, discovering facts takes longer or impossible Are a party to the investigation and information can only be released by NTSB -- share price gets hammered every time there's a crash and everyone else gets a chance to put out information I'm inclined to lead towards "special circumstances" here. Does every Ford crash make national news?
- gsnedders 9y ago
  Is the same not true for Boeing?
  - ethbro 9y ago
    I'd argue Boeing (and most other companies) have the benefit of amortizating "fear" over the total installed base of similar technologies. A Chevy engine turns out to have a design flaw, investors say "Yes, but Ford produces and sells tons of engines, so here's how much we think fixing it will cost." It seems like the recent Uber / Tesla self-driving impact is more of the form of "Gee, maybe this isn't even possible." If the V-22 Osprey tiltrotor were the only aircraft Boeing made... then I'd say it would be a more similar analogy.
- mannykannot 9y ago
  > share price gets hammered every time there's a crash. Instituting a more responsible testing program would both signal that they are dealing with the matter and also reduce the possibility of further deaths. > Does every Ford crash make national news? Those that indicate a major screw-up do, such as the Explorer rollovers (or Chevvy's ignition switch issue, for that matter). I don't think the NTSB would be upset if the statements about these autonomous-vehicle accidents were purely factual, relevant and without self-serving commentary and innuendo.

TAForObvReasons 9y ago

"Move fast and break things", including non-disclosure agreements and established norms :/

ethbro 9y ago

Isn't that a lose/lose for Tesla? Are not a party to the investigation -- motives questioned, discovering facts takes longer or impossible Are a party to the investigation and information can only be released by NTSB -- share price gets hammered every time there's a crash and everyone else gets a chance to put out information I'm inclined to lead towards "special circumstances" here. Does every Ford crash make national news?

gsnedders 9y ago
Is the same not true for Boeing?
- ethbro 9y ago
  I'd argue Boeing (and most other companies) have the benefit of amortizating "fear" over the total installed base of similar technologies. A Chevy engine turns out to have a design flaw, investors say "Yes, but Ford produces and sells tons of engines, so here's how much we think fixing it will cost." It seems like the recent Uber / Tesla self-driving impact is more of the form of "Gee, maybe this isn't even possible." If the V-22 Osprey tiltrotor were the only aircraft Boeing made... then I'd say it would be a more similar analogy.
mannykannot 9y ago
> share price gets hammered every time there's a crash. Instituting a more responsible testing program would both signal that they are dealing with the matter and also reduce the possibility of further deaths. > Does every Ford crash make national news? Those that indicate a major screw-up do, such as the Explorer rollovers (or Chevvy's ignition switch issue, for that matter). I don't think the NTSB would be upset if the statements about these autonomous-vehicle accidents were purely factual, relevant and without self-serving commentary and innuendo.