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If you like open source, don't work for Apple. I've seen multiple people stop all their open source contributions and communicating online after being hired by

If you like open source, don't work for Apple. I've seen multiple people stop all their open source contributions and communicating online after being hired by them. I assume they have very draconian NDAs.

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dralley 9y ago
Unless you happen to work on one of the open source projects they're involved with, I suppose. LLVM, Clang, Webkit etc.
- dboreham 9y ago
  Apache Traffic Server
- scarface74 9y ago
  Or CUPS or Darwin. No major technology company open sources their Crown Jewels.
michel-slm 9y ago
From what I hear, at Apple you're not allowed to contribute to open source projects (unless it's part of your day job) even in your own time - in contrast to Google (from what I hear) and Facebook (personal experience) where you can but you must clear it with legal and it can't be related to your day job.
- solomatov 9y ago
  And how does it work in CA? AFAIU, there're laws which prevent such limitations in most cases. I.e. everything which is done on the person's time is their own choice.
  - Joky 9y ago
    It is hard to find something that can't somehow be considered to compete with Apple. And in CA you can be let go for no reason, so... For example, I couldn't get approval to contribute patches to a gallery plugin for Wordpress that I was using for my personal blog, because you know, the Photos app is a gallery of photos.
    - eikenberry 9y ago
      I hope you quit after that. Working for a company so draconian and anti-society would drive me mad.
      - tzahola 9y ago
        Sure, I bet he quit his $150k/yr job to write free Wordpress plugins.
        sangnoir 9y ago
        ...or he could get another $150k/yr job at a company that allows him to write free WordPress plugins on the side.
      - scarface74 9y ago
        There are tons of developers who not only don't care about writing open source software on the side, actually go home after working 8 hours a days on computers and decide not to do any code at all and spend time on other hobbies, with their family, etc.
        Joky 9y ago
        Actually, going home my wife would be the one complaining about not being able to do what she wanted with the blog and asking me to fix it ;)
      - Joky 9y ago
        I stayed a few years for a few reasons, first because it is still a good company with a “real” product, and also because 99% of my time there was spent working on open-source (clang/llvm). When I decided to quit, it was in part because of their open source policy.
- YetAnotherNick 9y ago
  Can anyone else please confirm for apple.
  - ossanitychecker 9y ago
    Nobody is going to confirm it in any way you’ll find acceptable (like verifiable list of names/contributions), for one obvious reason: Apple employees tend not to post identifiably in public because articles (like this one) try to extrapolate public knowledge with hilariously wrong guesses at the roadmap, and it creates risk that isn’t worth the trade offs for the employee.
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dralley 9y ago

Unless you happen to work on one of the open source projects they're involved with, I suppose. LLVM, Clang, Webkit etc.

dboreham 9y ago
Apache Traffic Server
scarface74 9y ago
Or CUPS or Darwin. No major technology company open sources their Crown Jewels.

michel-slm 9y ago

From what I hear, at Apple you're not allowed to contribute to open source projects (unless it's part of your day job) even in your own time - in contrast to Google (from what I hear) and Facebook (personal experience) where you can but you must clear it with legal and it can't be related to your day job.

solomatov 9y ago
And how does it work in CA? AFAIU, there're laws which prevent such limitations in most cases. I.e. everything which is done on the person's time is their own choice.
- Joky 9y ago
  It is hard to find something that can't somehow be considered to compete with Apple. And in CA you can be let go for no reason, so... For example, I couldn't get approval to contribute patches to a gallery plugin for Wordpress that I was using for my personal blog, because you know, the Photos app is a gallery of photos.
  - eikenberry 9y ago
    I hope you quit after that. Working for a company so draconian and anti-society would drive me mad.
    - tzahola 9y ago
      Sure, I bet he quit his $150k/yr job to write free Wordpress plugins.
      - sangnoir 9y ago
        ...or he could get another $150k/yr job at a company that allows him to write free WordPress plugins on the side.
    - scarface74 9y ago
      There are tons of developers who not only don't care about writing open source software on the side, actually go home after working 8 hours a days on computers and decide not to do any code at all and spend time on other hobbies, with their family, etc.
      - Joky 9y ago
        Actually, going home my wife would be the one complaining about not being able to do what she wanted with the blog and asking me to fix it ;)
    - Joky 9y ago
      I stayed a few years for a few reasons, first because it is still a good company with a “real” product, and also because 99% of my time there was spent working on open-source (clang/llvm). When I decided to quit, it was in part because of their open source policy.
YetAnotherNick 9y ago
Can anyone else please confirm for apple.
- ossanitychecker 9y ago
  Nobody is going to confirm it in any way you’ll find acceptable (like verifiable list of names/contributions), for one obvious reason: Apple employees tend not to post identifiably in public because articles (like this one) try to extrapolate public knowledge with hilariously wrong guesses at the roadmap, and it creates risk that isn’t worth the trade offs for the employee.

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