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Content owners dictate in contractual terms the availability of their content in high definition (UHD, 4k, etc) be determined by the app securing access to the

by buro9 9y ago

Content owners dictate in contractual terms the availability of their content in high definition (UHD, 4k, etc) be determined by the app securing access to the content. The result is that the higher quality content is only available on apps on closed platforms. So if you got a dumb panel and wanted high definition content, you'd still need to hook up something like the Nvidia Shield... essentially a closed platform (Android again in this instance).

skrebbel 9y ago
Right! Ok this makes sense. Any clue on why content owners do this? It seems a bit arbitrary. Fortunately I'm the opposite of a videophile - I don't even know how High the Definition of our TV is. But I see your point, so indeed, a 4k dumb TV won't be able to show most Netflix content in 4k, correct? That's a major shame and pretty ridiculous. edit: I just noticed that Netflix actually supports UHD on the Windows 10 app and on Microsoft Edge[0]. So running Windows on the media center PC appears to be a practical option. [0] https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444 https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444
- pjc50 9y ago
  > Netflix actually supports UHD on the Windows 10 app and on Microsoft Edge Still a closed platform :) It's the DRM problem. They insist on these limitations as an anti-piracy measure. Fundamentally the only way to decode 4k in real time is to pass it fairly-unmodified to the video hardware, and at that point in a non-closed system a driver could steal it. Or just record it off the screen from the inside.
  - skrebbel 9y ago
    > Still a closed platform :) Sure, but not a smart TV and that's the part I personally care the most about. I doubt Microsoft, even with all their telemetry nonsense, will ever include something as ridiculous as samba.tv. Also, they employ more than 0 UI designers. Thanks for the explanation btw. So it's basically the 4k video version of copy-protected CD's. And that was a great idea that totally worked!
    - RaleyField 9y ago
      > will ever include something as ridiculous as samba.tv Pleasant surprise: Microsoft Store -> "..." button -> My Library.
  - kaybe 9y ago
    Sadly it just drives people to piracy instead when they cannot watch what they paid for.
  - deleted 9y ago
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- fabian2k 9y ago
  The 4K quality is tied to some pretty specific hardware and drivers as far as I remember. And 1080p is also different in my experience in the Windows 10 App and in Edge. I was able to get 1080p for some content in Edge, but not everything. The only way to consistently get 1080p quality was to use the rather crappy App. The search and filter features were worse than the website in my experience, and I ran into quite a few bugs when I used it.
  - skrebbel 9y ago
    Drifting off topic, but fwiw their Windows app got a bit better lately. I think there's finally a team on it again.
  - IntelMiner 9y ago
    The Windows 10 Netflix "app" is utterly abysmal I had it running on my second monitor as background noise while I was working on a project Every time I'd use Alt+Tab, the entire window would go black. Presumably as part of its inane DRM Unfortunately, the only way to get it to work again was to close and relaunch the entire app!
- mariusmg 9y ago
  >a 4k dumb TV Is there even such a thing ? Honest question, because i looked for a "dumb" 4K with HDR10 support TV and i haven't found anything.
  - magnetic 9y ago
    There's a lot of projectors that support 4K (see http://www.projectorcentral.com http://www.projectorcentral.com ) You can usually turn a smart TV into a dumb TV by not setting up the internet.
- Washuu 9y ago
  Right, but a HDCP 2.2 capable graphics device is required which currently is only nVidia GTX 10 series and newer Intel graphics. Which the insane video card prices recently getting 4K output is an expensive issue.
ams6110 9y ago
This is totally subjective but I find UHD/4K to be painful to look at on a large screen. The contrast is too high, everything is too focused. I don't need to see skin pores from across the room. 1080p is by far "good enough" to watch anything on TV, IMO.
- freehunter 9y ago
  I don’t have much experience with 4K but I’ve had to disable some motion enhancing features on 120hz screens because the movements seemed too fast and it was weird.
- paganel 9y ago
  > The contrast is too high, everything is too focused. I don't need to see skin pores from across the room. I re-watched a couple of episodes of "Friends" recently (apparently the series is now available on Netflix) at a couple of friends' house, on a huge tv set, and I had a totally different experience compared to what I remembered from last watching the episodes ~15 years ago because I could only focus on looking at the actresses' faces, asking myself: "Did Monica's face really looked like that? Did Phoebe's?". I'll stick with 1080 or even with 780 from now on.

by buro9 9y ago

skrebbel 9y ago

Right! Ok this makes sense. Any clue on why content owners do this? It seems a bit arbitrary. Fortunately I'm the opposite of a videophile - I don't even know how High the Definition of our TV is. But I see your point, so indeed, a 4k dumb TV won't be able to show most Netflix content in 4k, correct? That's a major shame and pretty ridiculous. edit: I just noticed that Netflix actually supports UHD on the Windows 10 app and on Microsoft Edge[0]. So running Windows on the media center PC appears to be a practical option. [0] https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444 https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444

pjc50 9y ago
> Netflix actually supports UHD on the Windows 10 app and on Microsoft Edge Still a closed platform :) It's the DRM problem. They insist on these limitations as an anti-piracy measure. Fundamentally the only way to decode 4k in real time is to pass it fairly-unmodified to the video hardware, and at that point in a non-closed system a driver could steal it. Or just record it off the screen from the inside.
- skrebbel 9y ago
  > Still a closed platform :) Sure, but not a smart TV and that's the part I personally care the most about. I doubt Microsoft, even with all their telemetry nonsense, will ever include something as ridiculous as samba.tv. Also, they employ more than 0 UI designers. Thanks for the explanation btw. So it's basically the 4k video version of copy-protected CD's. And that was a great idea that totally worked!
  - RaleyField 9y ago
    > will ever include something as ridiculous as samba.tv Pleasant surprise: Microsoft Store -> "..." button -> My Library.
- kaybe 9y ago
  Sadly it just drives people to piracy instead when they cannot watch what they paid for.
- deleted 9y ago
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fabian2k 9y ago
The 4K quality is tied to some pretty specific hardware and drivers as far as I remember. And 1080p is also different in my experience in the Windows 10 App and in Edge. I was able to get 1080p for some content in Edge, but not everything. The only way to consistently get 1080p quality was to use the rather crappy App. The search and filter features were worse than the website in my experience, and I ran into quite a few bugs when I used it.
- skrebbel 9y ago
  Drifting off topic, but fwiw their Windows app got a bit better lately. I think there's finally a team on it again.
- IntelMiner 9y ago
  The Windows 10 Netflix "app" is utterly abysmal I had it running on my second monitor as background noise while I was working on a project Every time I'd use Alt+Tab, the entire window would go black. Presumably as part of its inane DRM Unfortunately, the only way to get it to work again was to close and relaunch the entire app!
mariusmg 9y ago
>a 4k dumb TV Is there even such a thing ? Honest question, because i looked for a "dumb" 4K with HDR10 support TV and i haven't found anything.
- magnetic 9y ago
  There's a lot of projectors that support 4K (see http://www.projectorcentral.com http://www.projectorcentral.com ) You can usually turn a smart TV into a dumb TV by not setting up the internet.
Washuu 9y ago
Right, but a HDCP 2.2 capable graphics device is required which currently is only nVidia GTX 10 series and newer Intel graphics. Which the insane video card prices recently getting 4K output is an expensive issue.

ams6110 9y ago

This is totally subjective but I find UHD/4K to be painful to look at on a large screen. The contrast is too high, everything is too focused. I don't need to see skin pores from across the room. 1080p is by far "good enough" to watch anything on TV, IMO.

freehunter 9y ago
I don’t have much experience with 4K but I’ve had to disable some motion enhancing features on 120hz screens because the movements seemed too fast and it was weird.
paganel 9y ago
> The contrast is too high, everything is too focused. I don't need to see skin pores from across the room. I re-watched a couple of episodes of "Friends" recently (apparently the series is now available on Netflix) at a couple of friends' house, on a huge tv set, and I had a totally different experience compared to what I remembered from last watching the episodes ~15 years ago because I could only focus on looking at the actresses' faces, asking myself: "Did Monica's face really looked like that? Did Phoebe's?". I'll stick with 1080 or even with 780 from now on.