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>But there is still no actual proof of these assertions, only speculation. What does 'bro science' mean? e.g. is the work referenced here bro science: https:/

>But there is still no actual proof of these assertions, only speculation. What does 'bro science' mean? e.g. is the work referenced here bro science: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/carbs-against-cardio/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/carbs-against-car... Btw, I think the thing that makes the meaty part of burgers a bit dodgy is the fact that the meat has been ground up which means that bacteria can grow throughout its bulk at fridge temperature. As opposed to other cuts of meat where such growth is initially confined to the surface. These organisms won't kill you but they do leave inflammatory waste products behind which are bad for the health of the consumer. Same with chopped onion and various other foodstuffs; dunno about mushrooms. Hence supermarket 'ready meals' which have been fridged for 7+ days are best avoided UPDATE: https://www2.le.ac.uk/offices/press/press-releases/2016/february/bacterial-molecules-discovered-in-processed-foods-could-unlock-key-to-healthier-diets https://www2.le.ac.uk/offices/press/press-releases/2016/febr...

KozmoNau7 9y ago
Don't get me wrong, refined carbs (sugars) are certainly bad for you, and the patty/bun comparison depends a lot on the amount of added sugar, which has been growing for decades. But there has been a tendency to demonize all carbs, just like there was demonization of fats in earlier decades. Both are wrong. And no, I don't believe the "inflammatory waste products" theory, that's only one step removed from detox nonsense.
- truculation 9y ago
  >tendency to demonize all carbs Yeah I would agree with that, however, I think the larger error is in ignoring people's relationship to food. Some people shows signs of addiction, some don't, and we have no idea what the difference is, because we don't understand addiction. >And no, I don't believe the "inflammatory waste products" theory, that's only one step removed from detox nonsense. Heh. Whether one believes in a theory or not has no bearing on whether it's true. The proper name for those inflammatory chemicals is 'Pamps' btw. It's peer-reviewed research from a UK university. More to the point there's a plausible (to me) explanation behind it, unlike a lot of biomedical science. So worth checking out.
  - KozmoNau7 9y ago
    It's one study, one data point. I'll wait for more research. Besides, there are plenty of reasons already for avoiding overly-processed food.
dh89 9y ago
That article cites research by Ronald M. Krauss, who's received millions from the beef lobby. What's especially hilarious is how he changed his tune from "saturated fat causes atherosclerosis" to it's fine once he started receiving funding. I'm serious, go read his work from the 80s and now. He is a shill, a fraud, a paid puppet for animal agriculture. That's why it's called bro science. Bros just read headlines and don't inquire past that to uncover a more sinister truth. Bros need to visit http://nutritionfacts.org http://nutritionfacts.org and set their story straight on animal foods.
- truculation 9y ago
  >That's why it's called bro science. Bros just read headlines and don't inquire past that to uncover a more sinister truth. Ah, I see, thanks. Btw in addition to uncovering the sinister truth I hope you're interested in uncovering the real truth (as I hope I am too!)
- KozmoNau7 9y ago
  How ironic that you link to a vegan pseudoscience page.
  - dh89 9y ago
    "Vegan pseudoscience" page that cites thousands of peer reviewed papers from non-vegan researchers. I think you're bitter and denigrating the web site in a pathetic attempt to justify your wrongful world view only.
forgottenpass 9y ago
>What does 'bro science' mean? e.g. is the work referenced here bro science Word of mouth ideas about cause and effect, learned though informal testing in the gym rather than the lab. That's not to say there is widespread agreement about any/all of it. The contentious ideas are most likely to be called bro science. e.g. Google "brosplits." As a rule of thumb, anytime 'bro' is used as a slight on hackernews, it's being used wrong (differently than anyone outside the computer nerd cirlce of the valley bubble uses it). I trash on bro science now and them, but the carbs thing was more of a society-wide meme that hit it's peak with the Atkins diet.

KozmoNau7 9y ago

Don't get me wrong, refined carbs (sugars) are certainly bad for you, and the patty/bun comparison depends a lot on the amount of added sugar, which has been growing for decades. But there has been a tendency to demonize all carbs, just like there was demonization of fats in earlier decades. Both are wrong. And no, I don't believe the "inflammatory waste products" theory, that's only one step removed from detox nonsense.

truculation 9y ago
>tendency to demonize all carbs Yeah I would agree with that, however, I think the larger error is in ignoring people's relationship to food. Some people shows signs of addiction, some don't, and we have no idea what the difference is, because we don't understand addiction. >And no, I don't believe the "inflammatory waste products" theory, that's only one step removed from detox nonsense. Heh. Whether one believes in a theory or not has no bearing on whether it's true. The proper name for those inflammatory chemicals is 'Pamps' btw. It's peer-reviewed research from a UK university. More to the point there's a plausible (to me) explanation behind it, unlike a lot of biomedical science. So worth checking out.
- KozmoNau7 9y ago
  It's one study, one data point. I'll wait for more research. Besides, there are plenty of reasons already for avoiding overly-processed food.

dh89 9y ago

That article cites research by Ronald M. Krauss, who's received millions from the beef lobby. What's especially hilarious is how he changed his tune from "saturated fat causes atherosclerosis" to it's fine once he started receiving funding. I'm serious, go read his work from the 80s and now. He is a shill, a fraud, a paid puppet for animal agriculture. That's why it's called bro science. Bros just read headlines and don't inquire past that to uncover a more sinister truth. Bros need to visit http://nutritionfacts.org http://nutritionfacts.org and set their story straight on animal foods.

truculation 9y ago
>That's why it's called bro science. Bros just read headlines and don't inquire past that to uncover a more sinister truth. Ah, I see, thanks. Btw in addition to uncovering the sinister truth I hope you're interested in uncovering the real truth (as I hope I am too!)
KozmoNau7 9y ago
How ironic that you link to a vegan pseudoscience page.
- dh89 9y ago
  "Vegan pseudoscience" page that cites thousands of peer reviewed papers from non-vegan researchers. I think you're bitter and denigrating the web site in a pathetic attempt to justify your wrongful world view only.

forgottenpass 9y ago

>What does 'bro science' mean? e.g. is the work referenced here bro science Word of mouth ideas about cause and effect, learned though informal testing in the gym rather than the lab. That's not to say there is widespread agreement about any/all of it. The contentious ideas are most likely to be called bro science. e.g. Google "brosplits." As a rule of thumb, anytime 'bro' is used as a slight on hackernews, it's being used wrong (differently than anyone outside the computer nerd cirlce of the valley bubble uses it). I trash on bro science now and them, but the carbs thing was more of a society-wide meme that hit it's peak with the Atkins diet.