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Cloudflare is making a public pronouncement that they're not going to sell your DNS data nor track your IP address, with the implication that they will also not

Cloudflare is making a public pronouncement that they're not going to sell your DNS data nor track your IP address, with the implication that they will also not use the usage data to upsell you services. That's about the only additional "privacy" edge they offer. In the same breath, they insinuate that Google both sells and uses DNS usage from their 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 resolvers.

heisenbit 9y ago
They are NOT saying Google is lying and collecting the data. They are saying the business model of Google inherently provides such incentive. Cloudflare is somewhat right: Means, Motive and Opportunity - but for a conviction you have to prove someone acted on the Opportunity. The Motive of Google is tampered with severe risk for loosing trust. Cloudflare can make an argument they are fundamentally better positioned and that is all they do. As with all US based operations the NSA may cook up some convincing counterarguments and we may never know.
- Twisol 9y ago
  It's clear what you meant, but for whatever it's worth, I think the word you wanted was "tempered", not "tampered".
  - wtmt 9y ago
    For what it’s worth, you missed to point out “loosing” vs. “losing” in that comment (where it talks about “loosing trust”). :)
    - Twisol 9y ago
      That looked more like a garden-variety typo than a bona fide eggcorn, so I gave it a pass ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggcorn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggcorn
- bogomipz 9y ago
  >"They are NOT saying Google is lying and collecting the data." The OP did not say that cloudflare is "saying" that. The OP very clearly said they are "insinuating" it. And yes under the heading "DNS's Privacy Problem" the post mentions: "With all the concern over the data that companies like Facebook and Google are collecting on you,..." I think that juxtaposition of this statement under a bolded heading of "DNS's Privacy Problem" is very much insinuating that.
  - ocdtrekkie 9y ago
    Bear in mind, Google's changed its mind before and can again at any time. For instance, when they bought DoubleClick they promised not to connect it with the Google account data they had. Then they changed that policy later.
    - bogomipz 9y ago
      That does not change the the fact that Cloudflare is insinuating something something about Google's DNS.
      - ocdtrekkie 9y ago
        Is the suggestion that a company whose main business is targeting ads based on collecting data about you might be collecting data about you an unfair insinuation?
        bogomipz 9y ago
        Please follow the thread - the question of whether an insinuation if "fair" is not what's being discussed. What's being discussed is whether or not Cloudflare said or insinuated that there were privacy concerns with using 8.8.8.8.
kentonv 9y ago
> they insinuate that Google both sells and uses DNS I don't think it's intended to say anything about Google specifically. Keep in mind that there are many other DNS services out there, and some of them are known for being pretty scummy, e.g. replacing NXDOMAIN results with "smart search" / ad pages.
- bogomipz 9y ago
  >"I don't think it's intended to say anything about Google specifically" Google is mentioned 13 times in this post and their resolvers 3. That's 16 total mentions of Google in their post.
  - kentonv 9y ago
    I was specifically referring to the statement that Cloudflare won't sell your DNS history.

heisenbit 9y ago

They are NOT saying Google is lying and collecting the data. They are saying the business model of Google inherently provides such incentive. Cloudflare is somewhat right: Means, Motive and Opportunity - but for a conviction you have to prove someone acted on the Opportunity. The Motive of Google is tampered with severe risk for loosing trust. Cloudflare can make an argument they are fundamentally better positioned and that is all they do. As with all US based operations the NSA may cook up some convincing counterarguments and we may never know.

Twisol 9y ago
It's clear what you meant, but for whatever it's worth, I think the word you wanted was "tempered", not "tampered".
- wtmt 9y ago
  For what it’s worth, you missed to point out “loosing” vs. “losing” in that comment (where it talks about “loosing trust”). :)
  - Twisol 9y ago
    That looked more like a garden-variety typo than a bona fide eggcorn, so I gave it a pass ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggcorn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggcorn
bogomipz 9y ago
>"They are NOT saying Google is lying and collecting the data." The OP did not say that cloudflare is "saying" that. The OP very clearly said they are "insinuating" it. And yes under the heading "DNS's Privacy Problem" the post mentions: "With all the concern over the data that companies like Facebook and Google are collecting on you,..." I think that juxtaposition of this statement under a bolded heading of "DNS's Privacy Problem" is very much insinuating that.
- ocdtrekkie 9y ago
  Bear in mind, Google's changed its mind before and can again at any time. For instance, when they bought DoubleClick they promised not to connect it with the Google account data they had. Then they changed that policy later.
  - bogomipz 9y ago
    That does not change the the fact that Cloudflare is insinuating something something about Google's DNS.
    - ocdtrekkie 9y ago
      Is the suggestion that a company whose main business is targeting ads based on collecting data about you might be collecting data about you an unfair insinuation?
      - bogomipz 9y ago
        Please follow the thread - the question of whether an insinuation if "fair" is not what's being discussed. What's being discussed is whether or not Cloudflare said or insinuated that there were privacy concerns with using 8.8.8.8.

kentonv 9y ago

> they insinuate that Google both sells and uses DNS I don't think it's intended to say anything about Google specifically. Keep in mind that there are many other DNS services out there, and some of them are known for being pretty scummy, e.g. replacing NXDOMAIN results with "smart search" / ad pages.

bogomipz 9y ago
>"I don't think it's intended to say anything about Google specifically" Google is mentioned 13 times in this post and their resolvers 3. That's 16 total mentions of Google in their post.
- kentonv 9y ago
  I was specifically referring to the statement that Cloudflare won't sell your DNS history.