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The set of rules isn’t always “simple & obvious” particularly to those new or only tangentially interested in the sub. Not everyone is OCD about a particular to

by eecc 9y ago

The set of rules isn’t always “simple & obvious” particularly to those new or only tangentially interested in the sub. Not everyone is OCD about a particular topic but it’s handy to toss a genuine question and perhaps catalogue it more appropriately at a later stage. Most of these draconian rules reek of tribal fallout from some earlier - totally unrelated - war. “And no, we do not have the time to...” then dude, you’re investing waaay more effort than you can afford, you’re burning out, take a step back, chill and let other people shoulder the community. You’re not paid to do it, neither in monetary nor in “gratitude” so chill and keep it best effort

detaro 9y ago
So first you complain that mods don't give enough effort in their messages, and now you say "chill and keep it best effort"? "Just get more moderators" isn't easy in many communities.
- eecc 9y ago
  No, I complain that mods are too eager establishing excessively draconian - and rather elaborate, probably subjective - rules on a general and broad topic sub. Keep it to the minimum (behave, be civil) and that’s that. Not this: 1 try. No direct images, only Imgur links (first auto-delete) 2 try. No request for advice. (Second delete) 3 try. No what’s this (we have decided that it goes to another sub, there it’s documented in article nn of our faq) 4... (whatever, take your meds, I’ve wasted enough time...)
ubernostrum 9y ago
So, the subreddit I mod basically uses its rules to tell people not to throw insults at each other, to avoid low-effort types of posts (like memes) and to stay on-topic. That's not terribly difficult to follow. But it still ends up taking a lot of words to express, largely because so many people will come in with an attitude of "well my post is special and shouldn't have to be subject to that". Plus, of course, lots of people are just assholes on the internet. We use AutoModerator to catch what it can catch. We manually remove a lot of other stuff. We use short temporary bans for some categories of rule-breaking, and permanent bans for assholes. And it mostly chugs along, which is about the best you can hope for most of the time as a moderator. But, again, there's not time to hold the hand of people who think reading a short set of rules is beneath them, or who otherwise have aggressive attitudes to begin with (like you!). And even if there was, it wouldn't be worth the time. If we added a hundred million new moderators overnight just to try to do this, it wouldn't improve things one bit.

by eecc 9y ago

detaro 9y ago

So first you complain that mods don't give enough effort in their messages, and now you say "chill and keep it best effort"? "Just get more moderators" isn't easy in many communities.

eecc 9y ago
No, I complain that mods are too eager establishing excessively draconian - and rather elaborate, probably subjective - rules on a general and broad topic sub. Keep it to the minimum (behave, be civil) and that’s that. Not this: 1 try. No direct images, only Imgur links (first auto-delete) 2 try. No request for advice. (Second delete) 3 try. No what’s this (we have decided that it goes to another sub, there it’s documented in article nn of our faq) 4... (whatever, take your meds, I’ve wasted enough time...)

ubernostrum 9y ago

So, the subreddit I mod basically uses its rules to tell people not to throw insults at each other, to avoid low-effort types of posts (like memes) and to stay on-topic. That's not terribly difficult to follow. But it still ends up taking a lot of words to express, largely because so many people will come in with an attitude of "well my post is special and shouldn't have to be subject to that". Plus, of course, lots of people are just assholes on the internet. We use AutoModerator to catch what it can catch. We manually remove a lot of other stuff. We use short temporary bans for some categories of rule-breaking, and permanent bans for assholes. And it mostly chugs along, which is about the best you can hope for most of the time as a moderator. But, again, there's not time to hold the hand of people who think reading a short set of rules is beneath them, or who otherwise have aggressive attitudes to begin with (like you!). And even if there was, it wouldn't be worth the time. If we added a hundred million new moderators overnight just to try to do this, it wouldn't improve things one bit.