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It's hard to imagine a modem city of tens of thousands being evacuated in the wake of a hostile army's invasion. What's holding back this city from being reset

It's hard to imagine a modem city of tens of thousands being evacuated in the wake of a hostile army's invasion. What's holding back this city from being resettled by it's rightful owners?

llcoolv 9y ago
A cockroach invasion :)
- chernoby 9y ago
  Hundreds of people have been killed on both sides. The comment you make is very disrespectful, you should be ashamed of yourself.
  - llcoolv 9y ago
    No one should be ashamed of themselves but the cockroaches. I will just add a few links: - A demographic map of pre-invasion Cypros - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Cyprus#/media/File:Ethnographic_distribution_in_Cyprus_1960.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Cyprus#/media/... - Mustafa Pasha mosque (which was an actual Cathedral not even 50 years ago) - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/St._Nikolaos_Mustafa-_Pascha-Moschee_C.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/St._Niko... - A map of Nicosia - Europe's last divided capital http://www.intercyprus.com/maps/map-of-nicosia-a.jpg http://www.intercyprus.com/maps/map-of-nicosia-a.jpg I will also add that just a few weeks ago the cockroaches under chief cockroach Erdogan had their navy engage Italian (an EU member) prospecting vessels inside Cypriot (another EU member) territorial waters. I am not sure if this is an act of war (yet another one), but it should have been covered better in media. Instead this psycho got another 6B EUR on the latest EU-Turkey summit just this Monday. Ridiculous
    - anonanona 9y ago
      To be accurate, the cathedral under question was converted into a mosque more than 400 years ago during the Ottoman rule.
      - llcoolv 9y ago
        I did not know that, so it seems that it had never been converted back. Apologies - I am neither Greek, nor Cypriot.
- forvelin 9y ago
  It is sad that to see such comments on HN, maybe you should keep your such comments in 4chan only. I wonder how fast my comments would be flagged/erased if I call other nationalities with such names.
  - llcoolv 9y ago
    Does "cockroach" refer to the nationality or to the ideology (cockroachism) and its followers? There is plenty of Turkish people who in no way deserve this moniker - this is obvious. The ones on Cyprus, preventing the locals from even having a peek at their lawful properties, literally at gunpoint, the ones on the Navy ships bullying the Italians, the ones in Constantinople blackmailing Europe and the millions who support them are most certainly cockroaches though.
    - forvelin 9y ago
      I am amazed by your arrogance, I hope you read enough about this topic and how did Turkish end up with doing the operation. What is your opinion about why did Turkish invade the island ?
      - llcoolv 9y ago
        Everybody knows that - for the same reason Putler invaded Crimea and Hitler - Czechoslovakia. The true reason for all three "operations" was to turn the blue squares on the map into red ones. And spliting the "operation" into "the first few weeks" (which might be justifiable) and the following "several decades" (which are impossible to justify) is I believe insulting readers' intelligence way more than the stupid turkroach meme.
      - Gatsky 9y ago
        Not sure what exactly you are trying to say, but the occupation of Cyprus by Turkey is illegal under international law.
        forvelin 9y ago
- dang 9y ago
  Political and national flamewar is not ok on HN, and your comments in this thread—especially this one—are bannable offences. I'm not going to ban you, because your account doesn't have a history of doing things like this. Edit: well, it kind of does, since your comment before this thread was https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16017418 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16017418. Please don't post like this! Comments like that and your ones in this thread turn HN into a battlefield. We don't want that—scorched earth is not interesting, and the goal of this site is to be interesting. Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and take the spirit of this site to heart when commenting here. That means avoiding flamebait and flamewars, and posting civil, substantive, thoughtful comments only. If you can't or don't want to do that, please don't post until you can and do.
kyriakos 9y ago
A 40000 soldier strong occupation force, nationalism and incompetent politicians.
- mdekkers 9y ago
  Mostly incompetent politicians...
masklinn 9y ago
> What's holding back this city from being resettled by it's rightful owners? Its "rightful owners" are greek cypriots. During the invasion of Cyprus in 1974 it became part of the turkic-occupied sector, but rather than resettle it Turkey set it aside as a bargaining chip assuming negotiations would begin soon. So what's holding back this city from being resettled is that it's a forbidden zone regularly checked on by military patrols.
- llcoolv 9y ago
  And in this case by "resettling" it is meant making the robbery official?
  - mdekkers 9y ago
    What robbery?
    - llcoolv 9y ago
      Well. These buildings as well as the tens of thousands of buildings in the "Occpied zone" have lawful owners. In civilised societies items often have owners - in the case of important items such as a beach-line hotel in a seaside resort, the ownership is accompanied by a document called a "deed". These buildings have owners, who can produce those deeds, yet the owners are denied ownership. This did not happen (and is still happening up to this day) through a purchase or another legal act, but through violence, so I call it robbery. This is what it is.
      - mdekkers 9y ago
        You are not clearly communicating what you mean in your original post. Do you think the TC's are robbing? The GC's? I am not sure anyone is talking about resettling Varosha, so I don't really understand your point. In any case, the is no _money_ to resettle Varosha should the Cypriots every get it back.
ubernostrum 9y ago
What's holding back this city from being resettled by it's rightful owners? The fact that it's caught in the middle of a conflict between two armed groups who hate each other with an intensity that's almost impossible to grasp? Greeks and Turks have a lot of nasty history with each other. If you don't want to dig into all of it, just go read the Wikipedia article on the history of Cyprus.

It's hard to imagine a modem city of tens of thousands being evacuated in the wake of a hostile army's invasion. What's holding back this city from being resettled by it's rightful owners?

llcoolv 9y ago

A cockroach invasion :)

chernoby 9y ago
Hundreds of people have been killed on both sides. The comment you make is very disrespectful, you should be ashamed of yourself.
- llcoolv 9y ago
  No one should be ashamed of themselves but the cockroaches. I will just add a few links: - A demographic map of pre-invasion Cypros - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Cyprus#/media/File:Ethnographic_distribution_in_Cyprus_1960.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Cyprus#/media/... - Mustafa Pasha mosque (which was an actual Cathedral not even 50 years ago) - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/St._Nikolaos_Mustafa-_Pascha-Moschee_C.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/St._Niko... - A map of Nicosia - Europe's last divided capital http://www.intercyprus.com/maps/map-of-nicosia-a.jpg http://www.intercyprus.com/maps/map-of-nicosia-a.jpg I will also add that just a few weeks ago the cockroaches under chief cockroach Erdogan had their navy engage Italian (an EU member) prospecting vessels inside Cypriot (another EU member) territorial waters. I am not sure if this is an act of war (yet another one), but it should have been covered better in media. Instead this psycho got another 6B EUR on the latest EU-Turkey summit just this Monday. Ridiculous
  - anonanona 9y ago
    To be accurate, the cathedral under question was converted into a mosque more than 400 years ago during the Ottoman rule.
    - llcoolv 9y ago
      I did not know that, so it seems that it had never been converted back. Apologies - I am neither Greek, nor Cypriot.
forvelin 9y ago
It is sad that to see such comments on HN, maybe you should keep your such comments in 4chan only. I wonder how fast my comments would be flagged/erased if I call other nationalities with such names.
- llcoolv 9y ago
  Does "cockroach" refer to the nationality or to the ideology (cockroachism) and its followers? There is plenty of Turkish people who in no way deserve this moniker - this is obvious. The ones on Cyprus, preventing the locals from even having a peek at their lawful properties, literally at gunpoint, the ones on the Navy ships bullying the Italians, the ones in Constantinople blackmailing Europe and the millions who support them are most certainly cockroaches though.
  - forvelin 9y ago
    I am amazed by your arrogance, I hope you read enough about this topic and how did Turkish end up with doing the operation. What is your opinion about why did Turkish invade the island ?
    - llcoolv 9y ago
      Everybody knows that - for the same reason Putler invaded Crimea and Hitler - Czechoslovakia. The true reason for all three "operations" was to turn the blue squares on the map into red ones. And spliting the "operation" into "the first few weeks" (which might be justifiable) and the following "several decades" (which are impossible to justify) is I believe insulting readers' intelligence way more than the stupid turkroach meme.
    - Gatsky 9y ago
      Not sure what exactly you are trying to say, but the occupation of Cyprus by Turkey is illegal under international law.
      - forvelin 9y ago
dang 9y ago
Political and national flamewar is not ok on HN, and your comments in this thread—especially this one—are bannable offences. I'm not going to ban you, because your account doesn't have a history of doing things like this. Edit: well, it kind of does, since your comment before this thread was https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16017418 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16017418. Please don't post like this! Comments like that and your ones in this thread turn HN into a battlefield. We don't want that—scorched earth is not interesting, and the goal of this site is to be interesting. Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and take the spirit of this site to heart when commenting here. That means avoiding flamebait and flamewars, and posting civil, substantive, thoughtful comments only. If you can't or don't want to do that, please don't post until you can and do.

kyriakos 9y ago

A 40000 soldier strong occupation force, nationalism and incompetent politicians.

mdekkers 9y ago
Mostly incompetent politicians...

masklinn 9y ago

> What's holding back this city from being resettled by it's rightful owners? Its "rightful owners" are greek cypriots. During the invasion of Cyprus in 1974 it became part of the turkic-occupied sector, but rather than resettle it Turkey set it aside as a bargaining chip assuming negotiations would begin soon. So what's holding back this city from being resettled is that it's a forbidden zone regularly checked on by military patrols.

llcoolv 9y ago
And in this case by "resettling" it is meant making the robbery official?
- mdekkers 9y ago
  What robbery?
  - llcoolv 9y ago
    Well. These buildings as well as the tens of thousands of buildings in the "Occpied zone" have lawful owners. In civilised societies items often have owners - in the case of important items such as a beach-line hotel in a seaside resort, the ownership is accompanied by a document called a "deed". These buildings have owners, who can produce those deeds, yet the owners are denied ownership. This did not happen (and is still happening up to this day) through a purchase or another legal act, but through violence, so I call it robbery. This is what it is.
    - mdekkers 9y ago
      You are not clearly communicating what you mean in your original post. Do you think the TC's are robbing? The GC's? I am not sure anyone is talking about resettling Varosha, so I don't really understand your point. In any case, the is no _money_ to resettle Varosha should the Cypriots every get it back.

ubernostrum 9y ago

What's holding back this city from being resettled by it's rightful owners? The fact that it's caught in the middle of a conflict between two armed groups who hate each other with an intensity that's almost impossible to grasp? Greeks and Turks have a lot of nasty history with each other. If you don't want to dig into all of it, just go read the Wikipedia article on the history of Cyprus.