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I'm starting to actually believe I'm observing the effect of the loss of one staff member -- Jobs. Something like this might happen once. Under Steve, it damn

I'm starting to actually believe I'm observing the effect of the loss of one staff member -- Jobs. Something like this might happen once. Under Steve, it damned well wouldn't happen twice. Also, most places, even ones with a lot of money, don't really respect and won't pay for QA. It gets outsourced; they try to get the developers to do it; etc. In today's environment, there's no overriding incentive. Back to Jobs; there was an incentive. You didn't want to end up on his shit list. P.S. I never knew Steve Jobs, although he was involved with an institution I was at, back in our younger years. My impression is from what I've read about him, and how I've seen Apple changing since his death.

na85 9y ago
This Steve Jobs fetishism makes no sense. Are people seriously implying that bugs never happened under his leadership? Am I the only one who remembers the festering dumpster fire that was iTunes under Steve Jobs?
- pasbesoin 9y ago
  I didn't -- past a certain, limited point, perhaps -- for a number of years subsequent to his passing. Now, I'm starting to wonder. The hardware gains have been pretty incredible, with the custom ARM systems. The privacy stance seems (because I don't really know it in depth) to be a welcome turn. But some other aspects are seeming to slip, repeatedly. For one thing, there seem to be more and more complaints and problems with regard to the software. And it took Apple too long to take ownership of some hardware problems, until they figured out the magnitude of the negative PR. Jobs wasn't perfect. But his ability to be critical and call BS and say "fix it", was very useful. (Even if iTunes never benefited. I've never used it, except to help a friend digitize some personal media, one time, where the results landed in iTunes, IIRC. I wasn't thrilled with it (kind of frustrating and limited interface, as I recall), but we were able to get the job done.)
  - kilotaras 9y ago
    > And it took Apple too long to take ownership of some hardware problems, until they figured out the magnitude of the negative PR. This happened under Jobs as well. "You're holding it wrong"
    - na85 9y ago
      Ha! Forgot about that one. Throws the Jobs fetishism in this thread into even starker relief.
      - pasbesoin 9y ago
        Well, maybe I've succumbed -- belatedly -- to the reality distortion field. But damned if I'd let a product ship while it was logging passwords. Simple QA is to scan log files for anything that shouldn't be there. It requires no more than defining those values, pattern matching, and patience while it churns. This is actually a testing pattern that fits well into automation. As opposed to a lot of the "how do we hook into the GUI, so we can click stuff" automated QA I've seen. Anyway. I need to shut up, now.

na85 9y ago

This Steve Jobs fetishism makes no sense. Are people seriously implying that bugs never happened under his leadership? Am I the only one who remembers the festering dumpster fire that was iTunes under Steve Jobs?

pasbesoin 9y ago
I didn't -- past a certain, limited point, perhaps -- for a number of years subsequent to his passing. Now, I'm starting to wonder. The hardware gains have been pretty incredible, with the custom ARM systems. The privacy stance seems (because I don't really know it in depth) to be a welcome turn. But some other aspects are seeming to slip, repeatedly. For one thing, there seem to be more and more complaints and problems with regard to the software. And it took Apple too long to take ownership of some hardware problems, until they figured out the magnitude of the negative PR. Jobs wasn't perfect. But his ability to be critical and call BS and say "fix it", was very useful. (Even if iTunes never benefited. I've never used it, except to help a friend digitize some personal media, one time, where the results landed in iTunes, IIRC. I wasn't thrilled with it (kind of frustrating and limited interface, as I recall), but we were able to get the job done.)
- kilotaras 9y ago
  > And it took Apple too long to take ownership of some hardware problems, until they figured out the magnitude of the negative PR. This happened under Jobs as well. "You're holding it wrong"
  - na85 9y ago
    Ha! Forgot about that one. Throws the Jobs fetishism in this thread into even starker relief.
    - pasbesoin 9y ago
      Well, maybe I've succumbed -- belatedly -- to the reality distortion field. But damned if I'd let a product ship while it was logging passwords. Simple QA is to scan log files for anything that shouldn't be there. It requires no more than defining those values, pattern matching, and patience while it churns. This is actually a testing pattern that fits well into automation. As opposed to a lot of the "how do we hook into the GUI, so we can click stuff" automated QA I've seen. Anyway. I need to shut up, now.