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A debugging journey - debugging a weird bug in macOS

73 points by dsr12 9y ago

chrissnell 9y ago
In twenty five years with various *NIX-based OSes, I've encountered a few of these. You spend hours and hours and sometimes data digging to get to the root of some bug and it feels so awesome when you find the ultimate cause and fix it. Then you step back and say, what did I just do for the last two days? Two days of your very finite existence on this Earth, spent chasing some stupid software bug! I hope that it makes some difference in the grand scheme of things but it almost never does. We fix these things because they are there.
- webkike 9y ago
  I feel that, but who cares? Nothing makes a difference to anything. The things that are important are the things we think are important
  - bollockitis 9y ago
    Exactly. Meaning is subjective. Chasing down a bug can be an exercise in patience, diligence, and an opportunity to improve one's skill. The activity itself is irrelevant.
- nikanj 9y ago
  Tangentially related https://xkcd.com/722/ https://xkcd.com/722/
- duncan_bayne 9y ago
  And because it's a joyous experience when it works. I just introduced my five year old son to the passwd utility, when he asked me if I could change the password on his laptop[1]. The look of pride on his face when he mastered it (blind password entry was a challenge) was priceless. [1] ThinkPad X121e w/ SSD and Xubuntu. X series ThinkPads running Linux make great kids machines. Cheap, decent keyboards, and hard to break.
  - keithpeter 9y ago
    X series Thinkpads running Linux make pretty capable machines for adults as well for the same reasons. Back on thread: As an outsider, it seems to me that tracking down obscure bugs is a similar challenge to sorting out edge cases in obscure mathematics.
    - duncan_bayne 9y ago
      That they do :) My work machine is a maxxed-out X220 w/ FreeBSD: https://www.instagram.com/p/BXPY61pFkRK/ https://www.instagram.com/p/BXPY61pFkRK/ I keep my setup scripts in GitLab, so I can spin up a new dev machine pretty quickly: https://gitlab.com/duncan-bayne/freebsd-setup/wikis/home https://gitlab.com/duncan-bayne/freebsd-setup/wikis/home
jakobegger 9y ago
Ah.... very interesting. Now I know why [NSFileManager copyItemAtURL:...] failed to return an error when the file already existed, but only with a debugger attached. It presumably checks the errno after calling copyfile, and ignores the return value. I remember debugging this issue -- it took me a few hours to find out why our test were using old data, until I found someone else reporting the issue [1], and implemented a workaround. [1]: https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/75927 https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/75927
matthewbauer 9y ago
Re: apple open source version numbers: You can find the matching macOS release by looking at the versions listed at opensource.apple.com. For instance copyfile-138 is listed on this page: https://opensource.apple.com/release/macos-10126.html https://opensource.apple.com/release/macos-10126.html Which corresponds to 10.12.6 release.
tzahola 9y ago
errno was one of the worst ideas ever.
- gok 9y ago
  Don’t know why people are downvoting this; errno is truly horrible.
  - oneweekwonder 9y ago
    Because no alternative is suggested. What could have been, give a url? Just saying {x} sucks... well sucks.
    - asveikau 9y ago
      Errors as return codes are harder to clobber as a side effect. Some examples, on Windows you have HRESULT or NTSTATUS, on Mac you have osstatus. Some posix functions also return errno values, eg. pthread_create, likely due to early perceptions that errno cannot be made thread safe. (Fixed these days by making errno into a macro that resolves to a function that does thread local storage.) Probably fans of higher level languages might prefer exceptions, but this would be inapplicable to C. Some frameworks (glib, parts of cocoa) have a concept of "error object" which is an extra pointer to a struct parameter that can receive rich error context.
    - mwfunk 9y ago
      OK, put another way, errno is using a global variable to return an error code from a function call. Alternative: don't use a global variable to return an error code for a function call.
- emmelaich 9y ago
  Bad implementation*, not so much a wholly bad idea. Being sometimes a macro, sometimes not, not threadsafe? And more.
  - tzahola 9y ago
nicostouch 9y ago
Interesting bug! Reading through this made me add a couple of new questions to http://www.debug.coach/ http://www.debug.coach/ Could there be a bug in a library/3rd party code? Could there be a possible race condition? I remember recently hitting a bug in a 3rd party library in a Jar provided by Oracle in WebLogic to do with an incorrect implementation of the W3C DOM API causing XML validation to fail whenever attributes were present. Of course the J-Unit tests provide a different Jar and thus a different (correct) implementation and no bug. Took ages to track down.
- oneweekwonder 9y ago
  http://www.debug.coach/ http://www.debug.coach/ You should add a ace md <textarea> below each question where I can fill in the answers and save a pdf to share with my peers.

73 points by dsr12 9y ago

In twenty five years with various *NIX-based OSes, I've encountered a few of these. You spend hours and hours and sometimes data digging to get to the root of some bug and it feels so awesome when you find the ultimate cause and fix it. Then you step back and say, what did I just do for the last two days? Two days of your very finite existence on this Earth, spent chasing some stupid software bug! I hope that it makes some difference in the grand scheme of things but it almost never does. We fix these things because they are there.

webkike 9y ago
I feel that, but who cares? Nothing makes a difference to anything. The things that are important are the things we think are important
- bollockitis 9y ago
  Exactly. Meaning is subjective. Chasing down a bug can be an exercise in patience, diligence, and an opportunity to improve one's skill. The activity itself is irrelevant.
nikanj 9y ago
Tangentially related https://xkcd.com/722/ https://xkcd.com/722/
duncan_bayne 9y ago
And because it's a joyous experience when it works. I just introduced my five year old son to the passwd utility, when he asked me if I could change the password on his laptop[1]. The look of pride on his face when he mastered it (blind password entry was a challenge) was priceless. [1] ThinkPad X121e w/ SSD and Xubuntu. X series ThinkPads running Linux make great kids machines. Cheap, decent keyboards, and hard to break.
- keithpeter 9y ago
  X series Thinkpads running Linux make pretty capable machines for adults as well for the same reasons. Back on thread: As an outsider, it seems to me that tracking down obscure bugs is a similar challenge to sorting out edge cases in obscure mathematics.
  - duncan_bayne 9y ago
    That they do :) My work machine is a maxxed-out X220 w/ FreeBSD: https://www.instagram.com/p/BXPY61pFkRK/ https://www.instagram.com/p/BXPY61pFkRK/ I keep my setup scripts in GitLab, so I can spin up a new dev machine pretty quickly: https://gitlab.com/duncan-bayne/freebsd-setup/wikis/home https://gitlab.com/duncan-bayne/freebsd-setup/wikis/home

jakobegger 9y ago

Ah.... very interesting. Now I know why [NSFileManager copyItemAtURL:...] failed to return an error when the file already existed, but only with a debugger attached. It presumably checks the errno after calling copyfile, and ignores the return value. I remember debugging this issue -- it took me a few hours to find out why our test were using old data, until I found someone else reporting the issue [1], and implemented a workaround. [1]: https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/75927 https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/75927

matthewbauer 9y ago

Re: apple open source version numbers: You can find the matching macOS release by looking at the versions listed at opensource.apple.com. For instance copyfile-138 is listed on this page: https://opensource.apple.com/release/macos-10126.html https://opensource.apple.com/release/macos-10126.html Which corresponds to 10.12.6 release.

tzahola 9y ago

errno was one of the worst ideas ever.

gok 9y ago
Don’t know why people are downvoting this; errno is truly horrible.
- oneweekwonder 9y ago
  Because no alternative is suggested. What could have been, give a url? Just saying {x} sucks... well sucks.
  - asveikau 9y ago
    Errors as return codes are harder to clobber as a side effect. Some examples, on Windows you have HRESULT or NTSTATUS, on Mac you have osstatus. Some posix functions also return errno values, eg. pthread_create, likely due to early perceptions that errno cannot be made thread safe. (Fixed these days by making errno into a macro that resolves to a function that does thread local storage.) Probably fans of higher level languages might prefer exceptions, but this would be inapplicable to C. Some frameworks (glib, parts of cocoa) have a concept of "error object" which is an extra pointer to a struct parameter that can receive rich error context.
  - mwfunk 9y ago
    OK, put another way, errno is using a global variable to return an error code from a function call. Alternative: don't use a global variable to return an error code for a function call.
emmelaich 9y ago
Bad implementation*, not so much a wholly bad idea. Being sometimes a macro, sometimes not, not threadsafe? And more.
- tzahola 9y ago

nicostouch 9y ago

Interesting bug! Reading through this made me add a couple of new questions to http://www.debug.coach/ http://www.debug.coach/ Could there be a bug in a library/3rd party code? Could there be a possible race condition? I remember recently hitting a bug in a 3rd party library in a Jar provided by Oracle in WebLogic to do with an incorrect implementation of the W3C DOM API causing XML validation to fail whenever attributes were present. Of course the J-Unit tests provide a different Jar and thus a different (correct) implementation and no bug. Took ages to track down.

oneweekwonder 9y ago
http://www.debug.coach/ http://www.debug.coach/ You should add a ace md <textarea> below each question where I can fill in the answers and save a pdf to share with my peers.