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very deceptively crafted sentence. if i drove on AP for 15 minutes and i was alerted to put my hands on the wheel 2 minutes in. It would fit tesla's specially

very deceptively crafted sentence. if i drove on AP for 15 minutes and i was alerted to put my hands on the wheel 2 minutes in. It would fit tesla's specially crafted statement. It makes it look like user was warned and didn't respond by putting their hands on the wheel but its completely false. The AP drove him straight into the barrier with no warning.

jijojv 9y ago
https://www.tesla.com/blog/update-last-week%E2%80%99s-accident https://www.tesla.com/blog/update-last-week%E2%80%99s-accide... >very deceptively crafted sentence. >The AP drove him straight into the barrier with no warning. Exactly - anyone who owns autopilot knows this.
- imh 9y ago
  It seems gross that they spend so much of this saying "yeah he died and it may be our fault, but statistically you're still better off as our customer." The atlantic had a relevant piece on the morality there this morning https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/03/got-99-problems-but-a-trolley-aint-one/556805/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/03/got-9... And that's assuming they can identify that autopilot is statistically safer. If autopilot isn't used in the same conditions as all human driving, the rates aren't apples to apples comparisons, and the "you are 3.7 times less likely to be involved in a fatal accident" figure they imply is misleading.
  - eanzenberg 9y ago
    If that's literally the best case scenario, then that's pretty damn pitiful and a gross misleading of facts using statistics. It's a shame. Let's use "AP disengage" as the equating metric to human-caused crashes and see how it stacks up.
  - cma 9y ago
    They didn't even control for wealth. People that can afford a Tesla and the auto pilot add on are much less likely to be driving on drugs, alcohol, etc. It doesn't say anything about the statistics when auto-pilot is engaged, it just says cars with auto pilot. And it doesn't give the statistics for Teslas without auto-pilot (Teslas have other safety factors that might mean auto-pilot isn't responsible for the mortality reduction, etc.)
    - icebraining 9y ago
      People that can afford a Tesla and the auto pilot add on are much less likely to be driving on drugs, alcohol, etc. Is that true? I couldn't find statistics that grouped by income or wealth.
      - cma 9y ago
        Also look at occupation. Tesla owners = disproportionately software engineers. Software engineers are one of the lowest car insurance risk pools (and we're even before any of them started using auto-pilot).
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Tempest1981 9y ago
Here is the confusing sentence: (dots added) "The driver had received several visual and one audible hands-on warning earlier in the drive ... and the driver’s hands were not detected on the wheel for six seconds prior to the collision." https://www.tesla.com/blog/update-last-week’s-accident https://www.tesla.com/blog/update-last-week’s-accident
- Maro 9y ago
  It's not clear to me whether the "several visual and one audible hands-on" happened right before the crash (6-10 seconds), or the minutes before.
  - Ardren 9y ago
    If it was close to the crash they would have straight up just said that. They're just trying to muddy the facts.
- cma 9y ago
  It could have been earlier in the drive as in 30 minutes before, or something ridiculous like that. That was complete weasel wording.
  - TwoBit 9y ago
    Also, Tesla can mistakenly think you aren't holding the wheel when you are. Happens to me all the time. Regardless of the criticism of Tesla here, surely the driver wasn't watching the road, or otherwise this wouldn't have happened.

jijojv 9y ago

https://www.tesla.com/blog/update-last-week%E2%80%99s-accident https://www.tesla.com/blog/update-last-week%E2%80%99s-accide... >very deceptively crafted sentence. >The AP drove him straight into the barrier with no warning. Exactly - anyone who owns autopilot knows this.

imh 9y ago
It seems gross that they spend so much of this saying "yeah he died and it may be our fault, but statistically you're still better off as our customer." The atlantic had a relevant piece on the morality there this morning https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/03/got-99-problems-but-a-trolley-aint-one/556805/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/03/got-9... And that's assuming they can identify that autopilot is statistically safer. If autopilot isn't used in the same conditions as all human driving, the rates aren't apples to apples comparisons, and the "you are 3.7 times less likely to be involved in a fatal accident" figure they imply is misleading.
- eanzenberg 9y ago
  If that's literally the best case scenario, then that's pretty damn pitiful and a gross misleading of facts using statistics. It's a shame. Let's use "AP disengage" as the equating metric to human-caused crashes and see how it stacks up.
- cma 9y ago
  They didn't even control for wealth. People that can afford a Tesla and the auto pilot add on are much less likely to be driving on drugs, alcohol, etc. It doesn't say anything about the statistics when auto-pilot is engaged, it just says cars with auto pilot. And it doesn't give the statistics for Teslas without auto-pilot (Teslas have other safety factors that might mean auto-pilot isn't responsible for the mortality reduction, etc.)
  - icebraining 9y ago
    People that can afford a Tesla and the auto pilot add on are much less likely to be driving on drugs, alcohol, etc. Is that true? I couldn't find statistics that grouped by income or wealth.
    - cma 9y ago
      Also look at occupation. Tesla owners = disproportionately software engineers. Software engineers are one of the lowest car insurance risk pools (and we're even before any of them started using auto-pilot).
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Tempest1981 9y ago

Here is the confusing sentence: (dots added) "The driver had received several visual and one audible hands-on warning earlier in the drive ... and the driver’s hands were not detected on the wheel for six seconds prior to the collision." https://www.tesla.com/blog/update-last-week’s-accident https://www.tesla.com/blog/update-last-week’s-accident

Maro 9y ago
It's not clear to me whether the "several visual and one audible hands-on" happened right before the crash (6-10 seconds), or the minutes before.
- Ardren 9y ago
  If it was close to the crash they would have straight up just said that. They're just trying to muddy the facts.
cma 9y ago
It could have been earlier in the drive as in 30 minutes before, or something ridiculous like that. That was complete weasel wording.
- TwoBit 9y ago
  Also, Tesla can mistakenly think you aren't holding the wheel when you are. Happens to me all the time. Regardless of the criticism of Tesla here, surely the driver wasn't watching the road, or otherwise this wouldn't have happened.