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Wow, our society loves to blame our problems on other people and "the system". "Social jetlag correlates to GPA". Hmm, maybe the students who prioritized schoo

Wow, our society loves to blame our problems on other people and "the system". "Social jetlag correlates to GPA". Hmm, maybe the students who prioritized school and didn't go out drinking every night ended up doing better. You don't "deserve" good grades just because you're smart. Work hard for it. Get up early. Go to bed. Prioritize. Give something up. That's how life works.

merinowool 9y ago
As a "night owl" having trouble to adjust to schedules imposed by "early birds" I find your comment offensive. I don't drink alcohol nor take drugs and didn't go to parties because I found it mostly a waste of time. I worked hard, but it is impossible to be good, when you are constantly sleep deprived.
- dna_nerd 9y ago
  I'm a night owl too. I dealt with it. It wasn't easy - you have to be disciplined with sleeping schedules. I have to work out every morning to push my body awake. I have to eat right. I have to get regulation lights and blockout curtains and earplugs and meditate before sleep. Good things have never been easy.
  - merinowool 9y ago
    You see this is a struggle - you either keep up working against your body or you are out. People who are not night owls don't have to do all that. I don't think you should dedicate your life to keep sleep schedule that is not compatible with your body - this is a dead end and recipe for depression to say the least. Instead of making living a chore I decided to accept my situation and adapt - that means I now do freelancing and I am able to set my work hours as I see fit. I have never been happier, but that means I am unable to undertake "normal" work anymore.
digitaltrees 9y ago
Maybe if we recognize biological differences and structure society to align with that diversity we will get better performance out of everyone. I think it’s kind of insane that we all cram onto roads at the exact time so we can get to the office at the exact time. Why not have staggered schedules; especially if that means better performance from more people.
- dna_nerd 9y ago
  I totally agree with what you said. We need more personalized education systems. But this article is a red herring. If you actually read the data and figures from the article, the conclusions have been twisted to create clickbait. In particular, the article talks about persistent INSTABILITY of sleeping schedules. "We quantified SJL as the difference between the average phase of activity on class days and non-class days." This has nothing to do with the disadvantage of night owls to non-night owls, but rather talks about the disadvantage of folks who oscillate their sleeping schedule from day to day. It doesn't matter if you're a night owl or not, that's going to kill anyone's productivity. The audience read what they wanted to read, and interpreted this as "night owls vs. early birds". here's the original article for reference: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-23044-8 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-23044-8
  - digitaltrees 9y ago
    Thanks for the thoughtful comment. I think people experience sleep pattern oscillation when they are trying to live on the wrong schedule. Night owls end up with a non-24hr sleep pattern when they try to live off cycle for too long. I experienced that myself when I was a lawyer in New York.
Dowwie 9y ago
I came back to this thread just to see what the most down-voted comment was. You said absolutely nothing wrong. I agree with you 100%.

merinowool 9y ago

As a "night owl" having trouble to adjust to schedules imposed by "early birds" I find your comment offensive. I don't drink alcohol nor take drugs and didn't go to parties because I found it mostly a waste of time. I worked hard, but it is impossible to be good, when you are constantly sleep deprived.

dna_nerd 9y ago
I'm a night owl too. I dealt with it. It wasn't easy - you have to be disciplined with sleeping schedules. I have to work out every morning to push my body awake. I have to eat right. I have to get regulation lights and blockout curtains and earplugs and meditate before sleep. Good things have never been easy.
- merinowool 9y ago
  You see this is a struggle - you either keep up working against your body or you are out. People who are not night owls don't have to do all that. I don't think you should dedicate your life to keep sleep schedule that is not compatible with your body - this is a dead end and recipe for depression to say the least. Instead of making living a chore I decided to accept my situation and adapt - that means I now do freelancing and I am able to set my work hours as I see fit. I have never been happier, but that means I am unable to undertake "normal" work anymore.

digitaltrees 9y ago

Maybe if we recognize biological differences and structure society to align with that diversity we will get better performance out of everyone. I think it’s kind of insane that we all cram onto roads at the exact time so we can get to the office at the exact time. Why not have staggered schedules; especially if that means better performance from more people.

dna_nerd 9y ago
I totally agree with what you said. We need more personalized education systems. But this article is a red herring. If you actually read the data and figures from the article, the conclusions have been twisted to create clickbait. In particular, the article talks about persistent INSTABILITY of sleeping schedules. "We quantified SJL as the difference between the average phase of activity on class days and non-class days." This has nothing to do with the disadvantage of night owls to non-night owls, but rather talks about the disadvantage of folks who oscillate their sleeping schedule from day to day. It doesn't matter if you're a night owl or not, that's going to kill anyone's productivity. The audience read what they wanted to read, and interpreted this as "night owls vs. early birds". here's the original article for reference: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-23044-8 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-23044-8
- digitaltrees 9y ago
  Thanks for the thoughtful comment. I think people experience sleep pattern oscillation when they are trying to live on the wrong schedule. Night owls end up with a non-24hr sleep pattern when they try to live off cycle for too long. I experienced that myself when I was a lawyer in New York.

Dowwie 9y ago

I came back to this thread just to see what the most down-voted comment was. You said absolutely nothing wrong. I agree with you 100%.