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Anybody with good security background care to comment on the white paper mentioned in the article - https://1password.com/files/1Password%20for%20Teams%20White%

Anybody with good security background care to comment on the white paper mentioned in the article - https://1password.com/files/1Password%20for%20Teams%20White%20Paper.pdf https://1password.com/files/1Password%20for%20Teams%20White%.... Troy seems to endorse their cloud service. I am paranoid and do not like my password stored there :-)

tptacek 9y ago
You can (and should) just use their standalone product.
- hoistbypetard 9y ago
  Can you still purchase that? Last time I tried to help someone buy it, we could not find a way.
  - extra88 9y ago
    Yes, you can, though clearly AgileBits is heavily promoting choosing a subscription instead. The recent announcement of 7 beta for Mac that appeared on HN [0] mentions standalone licenses will still be an option. [0] https://blog.agilebits.com/2018/03/28/the-1password-7-beta-for-mac-is-lit-and-you-can-be-too/ https://blog.agilebits.com/2018/03/28/the-1password-7-beta-f...
    - albertop 9y ago
      I have tried the download and the just took me to the “try for free” subscription version. I did not want to import my data so I bailed out :-(. Not sure if one can try desktop beta.
    - tzs 9y ago
      I think those standalone licenses for version 7 are only available to people who already have a standalone license for version 6.
      - extra88 9y ago
        My point was only that they are not stopping the sale of standalone licenses as some people feared.
  - jonknee 9y ago
    The current pricing structure is a subscription, but you can use that subscription to use local vaults (syncing manually or via something like Dropbox): https://support.1password.com/sync-options/ https://support.1password.com/sync-options/ Subscription pricing is pretty optimal for something like 1Password since if there is one product you want to make sure is being actively worked on it is the one with all your passwords. If you previously purchased a license you can continue to do that.
    - akerl_ 9y ago
      To confirm: have you tested that, or are you basing it solely on the linked doc? I'm a huge fan of 1Password, and also a fan of paying subscription pricing for apps and dev teams making things I enjoy, but I'd seen the linked doc and parsed it the exact opposite way: "If you don’t want the benefits of a 1Password membership, you can use these third-party and advanced sync options:" --> ~"If you don't want to pay for a subscription, the non-subscription version of 1Password supports the following" Up until now I've been counting the days until Agilebits finally sunsets the non-subscription plan since I thought the subscription option didn't support the "advanced/third-party" sync options. Will go re-evaluate that now. If any Agilebits folks are lurking, it may be worth disambiguating that "switching to subscription billing" does not mandate "switching to an Agilebits-hosted vault"
      - guiambros 9y ago
        I had a few interactions with them over the years, and the official answer has always been (quote) "...we have no intention of removing the standalone licenses as an option." (email exchange in Aug 2016). Of course they can change their minds at any moment, but they did enough things right over the years that I have chosen to trust them. Business-wise, they already have the best of both worlds: a cloud-based option for regular users (which generates steady income), and a standalone option for pro users who want full control (which generates spiky income, and a lot of goodwill). From a brand perspective, pro users are much more likely to be spreading the word to friends and family (I definitely don't want my mom to be dealing with Dropbox issues, so cloud is just fine for her). From a cost perspective, maintenance of the standalone version is likely minimal, compared to supporting a cloud service safely. Killing the standalone option would be net negative.

tptacek 9y ago

You can (and should) just use their standalone product.

hoistbypetard 9y ago
Can you still purchase that? Last time I tried to help someone buy it, we could not find a way.
- extra88 9y ago
  Yes, you can, though clearly AgileBits is heavily promoting choosing a subscription instead. The recent announcement of 7 beta for Mac that appeared on HN [0] mentions standalone licenses will still be an option. [0] https://blog.agilebits.com/2018/03/28/the-1password-7-beta-for-mac-is-lit-and-you-can-be-too/ https://blog.agilebits.com/2018/03/28/the-1password-7-beta-f...
  - albertop 9y ago
    I have tried the download and the just took me to the “try for free” subscription version. I did not want to import my data so I bailed out :-(. Not sure if one can try desktop beta.
  - tzs 9y ago
    I think those standalone licenses for version 7 are only available to people who already have a standalone license for version 6.
    - extra88 9y ago
      My point was only that they are not stopping the sale of standalone licenses as some people feared.
- jonknee 9y ago
  The current pricing structure is a subscription, but you can use that subscription to use local vaults (syncing manually or via something like Dropbox): https://support.1password.com/sync-options/ https://support.1password.com/sync-options/ Subscription pricing is pretty optimal for something like 1Password since if there is one product you want to make sure is being actively worked on it is the one with all your passwords. If you previously purchased a license you can continue to do that.
  - akerl_ 9y ago
    To confirm: have you tested that, or are you basing it solely on the linked doc? I'm a huge fan of 1Password, and also a fan of paying subscription pricing for apps and dev teams making things I enjoy, but I'd seen the linked doc and parsed it the exact opposite way: "If you don’t want the benefits of a 1Password membership, you can use these third-party and advanced sync options:" --> ~"If you don't want to pay for a subscription, the non-subscription version of 1Password supports the following" Up until now I've been counting the days until Agilebits finally sunsets the non-subscription plan since I thought the subscription option didn't support the "advanced/third-party" sync options. Will go re-evaluate that now. If any Agilebits folks are lurking, it may be worth disambiguating that "switching to subscription billing" does not mandate "switching to an Agilebits-hosted vault"
    - guiambros 9y ago
      I had a few interactions with them over the years, and the official answer has always been (quote) "...we have no intention of removing the standalone licenses as an option." (email exchange in Aug 2016). Of course they can change their minds at any moment, but they did enough things right over the years that I have chosen to trust them. Business-wise, they already have the best of both worlds: a cloud-based option for regular users (which generates steady income), and a standalone option for pro users who want full control (which generates spiky income, and a lot of goodwill). From a brand perspective, pro users are much more likely to be spreading the word to friends and family (I definitely don't want my mom to be dealing with Dropbox issues, so cloud is just fine for her). From a cost perspective, maintenance of the standalone version is likely minimal, compared to supporting a cloud service safely. Killing the standalone option would be net negative.