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for me to dev solely on windows, it needs: 1) coreutils + some other nix commands 2) iTerm2 equivalent(ConEmu/Cmder do not compare)

Skunkleton 9y ago
They already have #1 in the form of WSL.
- rplst8 9y ago
  Yes but it runs inside CMD which is the WORST Windows terminal host.
  - braderhart 9y ago
    Yes.. but that is more than most Windows users know. It sounds like you are a Linux user at heart.
  - filoleg 9y ago
    Correct me if I am wrong, but it doesn't have to be inside cmd. A lot of people use cmder/conemu, and it works great with WSL. You can even put your own shell on top of WSL (zsh, fish, etc.), if you are inclined to do so.
  - srcmap 9y ago
    Just installed Xming, "apt install xfce4-terminal". DISPLAY=:0.0 xfce4-terminal & After that, it about 90% of typical Unix setup with all the control key bindings for copy-paste, etc. I wish WSL 's bash environment can run windows programs/utilities like Cygnus.
    - opencl 9y ago
      It can run windows programs as of the Fall Creator's Update, and you can also run WSL stuff inside a Powershell window. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/interop https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/interop
      - srcmap 9y ago
        Good to know. Thanks I tried insider for a few months and found the frequent updates too much, have some stability issues and stop it. Maybe it is a good reason to to start it again.
  - strmpnk 9y ago
    I think you mean conhost (cmd is the shell program, not the terminal). It does have it's rough edges but it's much improved from where it was only a few years ago and its far from the only way to host a WSL session. This includes support for ANSI escape codes (TERM=xterm works fine) and better colors (though you may need to reset the defaults if you're upgrading from an old system). Lastly, there are plenty of other terminal apps which make this much more familiar for folks who prefer things like tabbed windows, or theming. A second point, WSL programs don't rely on an active conhost shell to keep running. You can kick them off and run them in the background just fine. On one of my machines, I have a full i3 session running with no conhost window in sight. Everything works seamlessly, I can talk to my editor running as a Windows app, cut & paste back and forth, see file change notifications, hook up my docker command with my docker for windows VM, and so on. It's nice enough that I miss it when on my Mac and get annoyed with some of the fussy application alternatives on the typical Linux desktop.
    - Skunkleton 9y ago
      I use a native linux box for most things, but I do have a windows PC for time wasting stuff. WSL is very close to being a good enough for most of my uses. It is an impressive product.
imagiko 9y ago
How does ConEmu compare to iTerm2? Why do you think its not up to the mark? I have recently moved to a company using windows computers and ConEmu with WSL has been my lifeboat.
zadjii 9y ago
Hey there, I'm actually on the windows console dev team. Any specific features you're looking for from iTerm2? There's already hundred of items on the backlog, but I'm always curious what things in particular people are looking for.
- setquk 9y ago
  If it's any consolation what you guys have done with windows 10 is amazing. Big thumbs up here.
  - zadjii 9y ago
    Thanks :) We do what we can, and we're certainly not about to stop trying to impress.
  - 0xfeba 9y ago
    Amazing? Resizing, some better keyboard shortcut integration, and transparency? It's still ages behind *nix OSs.
    - setquk 9y ago
      Yes amazing because for the best part of 20 years, nothing significant has changed and now it’s functional enough to get work done. And I don’t care about the *nix implementations because the first thing I do is start tmux and use that. Same as I only care for the Linux userland which is what WSL gives me.
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 9y ago
      And yet you don't see users leaving in droves for that fancy terminal action. I wonder why? Hmmm...
- braderhart 9y ago
  Not from iTerm2 but I really enjoy the speed and features of urxvt. Any chance Windows will implement a similar fast open source console?
- 9y ago
raesene9 9y ago
Try WSL with MobaXTerm (https://mobaxterm.mobatek.net/ https://mobaxterm.mobatek.net/)
jbreiding 9y ago
I'm interested to understand the delta here too. I used cmder daily for work and iterm2 at home and I am quite happy with both. Sure they are different, but they are always going to be.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 9y ago
Dear God why would you want core-utils? It's full of esoteric commands and relies on text parsing for its pipelining. Powershell is miles ahead in every way I can think of.
kuma4 9y ago
I recommend WSL + WSLtty. It's the same as using Linux in PuTTT.

Skunkleton 9y ago

They already have #1 in the form of WSL.

rplst8 9y ago
Yes but it runs inside CMD which is the WORST Windows terminal host.
- braderhart 9y ago
  Yes.. but that is more than most Windows users know. It sounds like you are a Linux user at heart.
- filoleg 9y ago
  Correct me if I am wrong, but it doesn't have to be inside cmd. A lot of people use cmder/conemu, and it works great with WSL. You can even put your own shell on top of WSL (zsh, fish, etc.), if you are inclined to do so.
- srcmap 9y ago
  Just installed Xming, "apt install xfce4-terminal". DISPLAY=:0.0 xfce4-terminal & After that, it about 90% of typical Unix setup with all the control key bindings for copy-paste, etc. I wish WSL 's bash environment can run windows programs/utilities like Cygnus.
  - opencl 9y ago
    It can run windows programs as of the Fall Creator's Update, and you can also run WSL stuff inside a Powershell window. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/interop https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/interop
    - srcmap 9y ago
      Good to know. Thanks I tried insider for a few months and found the frequent updates too much, have some stability issues and stop it. Maybe it is a good reason to to start it again.
- strmpnk 9y ago
  I think you mean conhost (cmd is the shell program, not the terminal). It does have it's rough edges but it's much improved from where it was only a few years ago and its far from the only way to host a WSL session. This includes support for ANSI escape codes (TERM=xterm works fine) and better colors (though you may need to reset the defaults if you're upgrading from an old system). Lastly, there are plenty of other terminal apps which make this much more familiar for folks who prefer things like tabbed windows, or theming. A second point, WSL programs don't rely on an active conhost shell to keep running. You can kick them off and run them in the background just fine. On one of my machines, I have a full i3 session running with no conhost window in sight. Everything works seamlessly, I can talk to my editor running as a Windows app, cut & paste back and forth, see file change notifications, hook up my docker command with my docker for windows VM, and so on. It's nice enough that I miss it when on my Mac and get annoyed with some of the fussy application alternatives on the typical Linux desktop.
  - Skunkleton 9y ago
    I use a native linux box for most things, but I do have a windows PC for time wasting stuff. WSL is very close to being a good enough for most of my uses. It is an impressive product.

imagiko 9y ago

How does ConEmu compare to iTerm2? Why do you think its not up to the mark? I have recently moved to a company using windows computers and ConEmu with WSL has been my lifeboat.

zadjii 9y ago

Hey there, I'm actually on the windows console dev team. Any specific features you're looking for from iTerm2? There's already hundred of items on the backlog, but I'm always curious what things in particular people are looking for.

setquk 9y ago
If it's any consolation what you guys have done with windows 10 is amazing. Big thumbs up here.
- zadjii 9y ago
  Thanks :) We do what we can, and we're certainly not about to stop trying to impress.
- 0xfeba 9y ago
  Amazing? Resizing, some better keyboard shortcut integration, and transparency? It's still ages behind *nix OSs.
  - setquk 9y ago
    Yes amazing because for the best part of 20 years, nothing significant has changed and now it’s functional enough to get work done. And I don’t care about the *nix implementations because the first thing I do is start tmux and use that. Same as I only care for the Linux userland which is what WSL gives me.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 9y ago
    And yet you don't see users leaving in droves for that fancy terminal action. I wonder why? Hmmm...
braderhart 9y ago
Not from iTerm2 but I really enjoy the speed and features of urxvt. Any chance Windows will implement a similar fast open source console?
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raesene9 9y ago

Try WSL with MobaXTerm (https://mobaxterm.mobatek.net/ https://mobaxterm.mobatek.net/)

jbreiding 9y ago

I'm interested to understand the delta here too. I used cmder daily for work and iterm2 at home and I am quite happy with both. Sure they are different, but they are always going to be.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 9y ago

Dear God why would you want core-utils? It's full of esoteric commands and relies on text parsing for its pipelining. Powershell is miles ahead in every way I can think of.

kuma4 9y ago

I recommend WSL + WSLtty. It's the same as using Linux in PuTTT.