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It's happening where I live too. It's amazing how quickly the discussion moves past "what's best for students" and into the "it's annoying to me personally" and

It's happening where I live too. It's amazing how quickly the discussion moves past "what's best for students" and into the "it's annoying to me personally" and "when I was a kid, we suffered" conversations.

RHSeeger 9y ago
To be fair, "I got fired from my job because I couldn't get there on time anymore because school starts too late" isn't particularly good for the children of the people getting fired either.
- mbrameld 9y ago
  One person's issue with work is worth compromising the learning of all the other children? That's not exactly what I'd call fair.
  - ryandrake 9y ago
    It’s not just one person. As amazing as it sounds, lot of people are expected to be at work on time.
  - sotojuan 9y ago
    Not everyone is a programmer in the Valley or East Coast that can just Slack their manager "will be an hour late today because X!" and everything is fine. For the vast majority of people, even white collar employees, not being at work at 9 a few times may mean termination.
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    - burfog 9y ago
      It seems that such people can't possibly deal with legal problems, medical problems, car problems... It's not as if you can schedule such things. Well, you could add more problems on a schedule I guess! You can't avoid the bad surprises.
      - fwip 9y ago
        That's very true. Many workers have to go to work with medical problems, take desperate measures if they have car issues, and lose their job if they get arrested. If you've already missed 1 day for "my car broke down" and another for "I was vomiting", that one time you need to get the kid to school might be your 3rd strike.
        iovrthoughtthis 9y ago
        I can't help but think American work culture / expectations are pretty toxic.
        chris_va 9y ago
        It can be this bad, but it's not very common. Usually it happens in a job with fixed hours. Are you opening up the store in the morning? You'd better be there on time.
        jjeaff 9y ago
        Exactly. Or even production line workers. You can cost the company big money if they have to stop the line for you. There are lots of jobs where it is not unreasonable to require punctuality on a pretty regular basis.
      - bosie 9y ago
        > It seems that such people can't possibly deal with legal problems, medical problems, car problems... 230 times a year? they probably can't.
  - projectileboy 9y ago
    It depends a lot on the community where it's happening. In some places, that 'one person' is actually the majority case.
39d3493I93 9y ago
I feel like you are at least looking in the right direction to possibly realize that the "education" system is not at all primarily about "education", let alone about students. It's foremost a baby sitting service provided for the economy so that professionals and workers can make it to work and provide their labor in a system that was levered into forcing women into the labor force too. Beyond that it's a system to sustain the teachers' union lobby mob and the behemoth of an industry that is a parasite on the "education" system, including facets of the technology sector. There is a reason that the USA squanders multiples of money that other educational systems around the world spend with horrendous outcomes from it, and it has nothing to do with "education" let alone "think about the children" beyond simply being a tool to manipulate and strong-arm the public through guilt and manipulative lies.

RHSeeger 9y ago

To be fair, "I got fired from my job because I couldn't get there on time anymore because school starts too late" isn't particularly good for the children of the people getting fired either.

mbrameld 9y ago
One person's issue with work is worth compromising the learning of all the other children? That's not exactly what I'd call fair.
- ryandrake 9y ago
  It’s not just one person. As amazing as it sounds, lot of people are expected to be at work on time.
- sotojuan 9y ago
  Not everyone is a programmer in the Valley or East Coast that can just Slack their manager "will be an hour late today because X!" and everything is fine. For the vast majority of people, even white collar employees, not being at work at 9 a few times may mean termination.
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  - burfog 9y ago
    It seems that such people can't possibly deal with legal problems, medical problems, car problems... It's not as if you can schedule such things. Well, you could add more problems on a schedule I guess! You can't avoid the bad surprises.
    - fwip 9y ago
      That's very true. Many workers have to go to work with medical problems, take desperate measures if they have car issues, and lose their job if they get arrested. If you've already missed 1 day for "my car broke down" and another for "I was vomiting", that one time you need to get the kid to school might be your 3rd strike.
      - iovrthoughtthis 9y ago
        I can't help but think American work culture / expectations are pretty toxic.
        chris_va 9y ago
        It can be this bad, but it's not very common. Usually it happens in a job with fixed hours. Are you opening up the store in the morning? You'd better be there on time.
        jjeaff 9y ago
        Exactly. Or even production line workers. You can cost the company big money if they have to stop the line for you. There are lots of jobs where it is not unreasonable to require punctuality on a pretty regular basis.
    - bosie 9y ago
      > It seems that such people can't possibly deal with legal problems, medical problems, car problems... 230 times a year? they probably can't.
- projectileboy 9y ago
  It depends a lot on the community where it's happening. In some places, that 'one person' is actually the majority case.

39d3493I93 9y ago

I feel like you are at least looking in the right direction to possibly realize that the "education" system is not at all primarily about "education", let alone about students. It's foremost a baby sitting service provided for the economy so that professionals and workers can make it to work and provide their labor in a system that was levered into forcing women into the labor force too. Beyond that it's a system to sustain the teachers' union lobby mob and the behemoth of an industry that is a parasite on the "education" system, including facets of the technology sector. There is a reason that the USA squanders multiples of money that other educational systems around the world spend with horrendous outcomes from it, and it has nothing to do with "education" let alone "think about the children" beyond simply being a tool to manipulate and strong-arm the public through guilt and manipulative lies.