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I guess I don't understand your point. But I'll elaborate because I'm interested in this topic. My point is that Facebook's ethos, that a post-privacy era can

I guess I don't understand your point. But I'll elaborate because I'm interested in this topic. My point is that Facebook's ethos, that a post-privacy era can exist and be okay, is betrayed by how they clamor when it's their own privacy. It makes it feel like it's a one-directional relationship. Perhaps you're suggesting facebook's ethos is actually that a privacy middle-ground can exist, where people can choose what gets shown where and to whom. I can't disprove that that's their ideal, but in light of their data-sharing I have no reason to believe it. Aside from ideals, we can point out the consequences of Facebook in practice. Facebook is a written medium that preserves everything (even something from 2 years ago) and thus has constructed a system that forces its users to hyper-curate their entire public persona or suffer social consequences, and from a practical perspective their own VP failed to curate sufficiently. So regardless of ideals, if the system punishes discussion then I see that as a problem, as well as an irony when it happens to their own VP.

notacoward 9y ago
> Perhaps you're suggesting facebook's ethos is actually that a privacy middle-ground can exist, where people can choose what gets shown where and to whom. They can, to a larger degree than most critics seem to realize. I use those controls all the time. I might agree that they're not as prominent or easy to use as they should be, but they exist because people at Facebook cared enough to implement them (which isn't easy or cheap at that scale BTW). > I can't disprove that that's their ideal, but in light of their data-sharing I have no reason to believe it. Oh, you mean the data sharing that was curtailed sharply in 2014, and again in increments ever since? Is that continuing effort and foregone revenue "no reason" to believe such a sentiment exists? > if the system punishes discussion then I see that as a problem Yes, punishing discussion is a problem. Wait, what is this entire thread, and a thousand like it all spawned by the publication of these posts, about?
- alexandercrohde 9y ago
  >> Oh, you mean the data sharing that was curtailed sharply in 2014, and again in increments ever since? Don't pretend they're taking care of it on their own. They're reading text messages in 2018. >> Yes, punishing discussion is a problem. Wait, what is this entire thread, and a thousand like it all spawned by the publication of these posts, about? Wait... Are you arguing that it's not bad that facebook stifles controversial opinions on its platform because its behavior creates controversial discussions on other websites...?

notacoward 9y ago

> Perhaps you're suggesting facebook's ethos is actually that a privacy middle-ground can exist, where people can choose what gets shown where and to whom. They can, to a larger degree than most critics seem to realize. I use those controls all the time. I might agree that they're not as prominent or easy to use as they should be, but they exist because people at Facebook cared enough to implement them (which isn't easy or cheap at that scale BTW). > I can't disprove that that's their ideal, but in light of their data-sharing I have no reason to believe it. Oh, you mean the data sharing that was curtailed sharply in 2014, and again in increments ever since? Is that continuing effort and foregone revenue "no reason" to believe such a sentiment exists? > if the system punishes discussion then I see that as a problem Yes, punishing discussion is a problem. Wait, what is this entire thread, and a thousand like it all spawned by the publication of these posts, about?

alexandercrohde 9y ago
>> Oh, you mean the data sharing that was curtailed sharply in 2014, and again in increments ever since? Don't pretend they're taking care of it on their own. They're reading text messages in 2018. >> Yes, punishing discussion is a problem. Wait, what is this entire thread, and a thousand like it all spawned by the publication of these posts, about? Wait... Are you arguing that it's not bad that facebook stifles controversial opinions on its platform because its behavior creates controversial discussions on other websites...?