No I think this is also a great point. I didn't even think about all the people who try to give programming a go because they hope it's easy and they know it's

No I think this is also a great point. I didn't even think about all the people who try to give programming a go because they hope it's easy and they know it's lucrative, but don't really have the stomach for it. And I would have to assume at least some of those people half ass it and still try to get jobs and exaggerate their abilities hoping they can fake it till they make it, never mind the faking will likely be indefinite. I'm sure people in HR have seen more than their fair share. Folks who have any visibility into bootcamps or anything probably see it. I think programmers as a class can be a bit insulated from the reality of how many people make the attempt or try to get jobs they're patently not qualified for relying on the potential for self-taught, non-degree'd, programmers to still have a shot.