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Don’t bother posting HuffPo links as references. I hope nobody is taking anything they read there as fact these days. If they are, we are in bigger trouble as

Don’t bother posting HuffPo links as references. I hope nobody is taking anything they read there as fact these days. If they are, we are in bigger trouble as a country than I thought. I’d say the politics section of CNN falls in the same category. With regard to the rest of your comment... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16714508 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16714508

grzm 9y ago
I didn’t reference them for the editorial or analysis: None of these are sources I generally read but they were among the top that came up when searching. Take a look at the quotes in the pieces. If you dispute them as inaccurate or out of context, please do point them out. Edit to add: You say birtherism as being fringe and rightly dismissed as nutjobs. My response is to show that it’s not fringe as it was supported by the current president. Part of the disapproval you’re trying to dismiss can be attributed to people frustrated with things like this. There are legitimate reasons regardless of the hype you’re trying to use to dismiss the high disapproval ratings. There are well-known Republican/conservative voices that are speaking out against Trump as well. We’re also no longer in a period where people are necessarily comparing Trump and Clinton, choosing the lesser of two bad options. Anyway, I’m out. Have a good $timeOfDay.
KozmoNau7 9y ago
Do you deny that Trump was extremely active in birtherism and claiming Obama wasn't eligible for the position as president? There are countless articles, videos, tweets (from The Donald himself) documenting it. Instead you attack specific sources, in an attempt to discredit the facts.
- richardknop 9y ago
  He was certainly very active in birtherism but so was Hillary when she ran against Obama which is what people are forgetting about :)
  - KozmoNau7 9y ago
    "But but but HILLARY!" is not a valid argument. Both were shitty candidates, Trump was just the shittiest of the two.
  - grzm 9y ago
    Would you elaborate what you mean by "but so was Hillary"? I'm aware of three incidents that could seen as related: - Allegedly Sidney Blumenthal urged a reporter to investigate where Obama was born, suggesting it was Kenya. This was denied by Blumenthal and appears to be a misread or exaggeration of an email Blumenthal wrote. (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article102828747.html http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election...) - Mark Penn wrote a strategy memo about Obama's "lack of American roots" in reference to him having lived abroad, which the campaign never acted on. (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/09/the-front-runner-s-fall/306944/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/09/the-fro...) - A volunteer coordinator in Iowa forward an email promoting birtherism and was fired for doing so. (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/sep/25/obama-muslim-myth-clinton-connection/ http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/sep/25/...) I have a hard time reconciling "very active in birtherism" (or promoting birtherism at all by the campaign, much less Clinton herself) with these incidents. If you've got other references, please share. (Though this is really far off the reservation with respect to the submission.)
- downandout 9y ago
  Again, I’m not defending Trump. Never have. But that doesn’t mean we should purposely misinterpret hard data to try to make him look worse than he already makes himself look.

grzm 9y ago

I didn’t reference them for the editorial or analysis: None of these are sources I generally read but they were among the top that came up when searching. Take a look at the quotes in the pieces. If you dispute them as inaccurate or out of context, please do point them out. Edit to add: You say birtherism as being fringe and rightly dismissed as nutjobs. My response is to show that it’s not fringe as it was supported by the current president. Part of the disapproval you’re trying to dismiss can be attributed to people frustrated with things like this. There are legitimate reasons regardless of the hype you’re trying to use to dismiss the high disapproval ratings. There are well-known Republican/conservative voices that are speaking out against Trump as well. We’re also no longer in a period where people are necessarily comparing Trump and Clinton, choosing the lesser of two bad options. Anyway, I’m out. Have a good $timeOfDay.

KozmoNau7 9y ago

Do you deny that Trump was extremely active in birtherism and claiming Obama wasn't eligible for the position as president? There are countless articles, videos, tweets (from The Donald himself) documenting it. Instead you attack specific sources, in an attempt to discredit the facts.

richardknop 9y ago
He was certainly very active in birtherism but so was Hillary when she ran against Obama which is what people are forgetting about :)
- KozmoNau7 9y ago
  "But but but HILLARY!" is not a valid argument. Both were shitty candidates, Trump was just the shittiest of the two.
- grzm 9y ago
  Would you elaborate what you mean by "but so was Hillary"? I'm aware of three incidents that could seen as related: - Allegedly Sidney Blumenthal urged a reporter to investigate where Obama was born, suggesting it was Kenya. This was denied by Blumenthal and appears to be a misread or exaggeration of an email Blumenthal wrote. (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article102828747.html http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election...) - Mark Penn wrote a strategy memo about Obama's "lack of American roots" in reference to him having lived abroad, which the campaign never acted on. (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/09/the-front-runner-s-fall/306944/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/09/the-fro...) - A volunteer coordinator in Iowa forward an email promoting birtherism and was fired for doing so. (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/sep/25/obama-muslim-myth-clinton-connection/ http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/sep/25/...) I have a hard time reconciling "very active in birtherism" (or promoting birtherism at all by the campaign, much less Clinton herself) with these incidents. If you've got other references, please share. (Though this is really far off the reservation with respect to the submission.)
downandout 9y ago
Again, I’m not defending Trump. Never have. But that doesn’t mean we should purposely misinterpret hard data to try to make him look worse than he already makes himself look.