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>our idea of success is slowly narrowing to this kind of 21st century internet-mediated entrepreneurship. Material success, power, fame - have been drivers of

>our idea of success is slowly narrowing to this kind of 21st century internet-mediated entrepreneurship. Material success, power, fame - have been drivers of ambition throughout all of human civilization. The unprecedented success of capitalism over the last 2 centuries has been marked by countless individuals pushing forward towards those goals. >Greed is repackaged as positivity and girl power You have cynical spin on this, but I suppose traditional moral gender roles would be more fulfilling? Or maybe women should be encouraged to go into low profit social work? What is it you want?

Apocryphon 9y ago
A society where get-rich schemes whether they be becoming rich from social media self-branding, investing in crypto, or buying lottery tickets are not so attractive because they seem like the only way to reach financial success, independence, or security.
- macspoofing 9y ago
  Who is arguing for get-rich quick(?) schemes? >whether they be becoming rich from social media self-branding I'm not worried about that. There is no free lunch and anybody who thinks they can start rolling in Youtube money without putting in a massive amount of work (and even then, there are no guarantees) will figure it quickly enough.
apotheothesomai 9y ago
This has absolutely nothing to do with your tendentious gender-virtuous criticism. That's way out of line. It would be just as bad, if there were an analogous boy's magazine. The point is that replacing the idea of one's worth and potential - girl power/boy power, whatever - with shallow get quick money and get famous schemes is a negative. Would you prefer children who dream of utilizing their potential to become great at something, like a career path, scientist, scholar, artists, farmer etc., or whose dreams are about becoming Youtube stars or selling crap to a bunch of people? As for the general remarks on history, power is the only factor in ambition beyond survival. Material success is just one form of power. Fame is power + self gratification for the emotionally weak. Ephemeral fame and get money quick schemes are superficial and weak means to power. On the other hand, appeals to a universal subject, which doesn't exist, references to human nature, which we can't even define as a term, much less define what the elements of it are, don't really work in a proper argument.
- macspoofing 9y ago
  >It would be just as bad, if there were an analogous boy's magazine. There's a constant hum about the lack of women entrepreneurs and how women should be encouraged to pursue entrepreneurship, the earlier the better. What do you think that looks like? If you do nothing, that's wrong, if you do something, it will never be right and will be critized. This is an entrepreneurship magazine designed to appeal to teen girls. Entrepreneurship is a boring topic for most teens, so this is their attempt at making it relatable and fun. Give them a break. >Would you prefer children who dream of utilizing their potential to become great at something, like a career path, scientist, scholar, artists, farmer etc., I noticed entrepreneur is not one of the options you listed, which is what this magazine advocates. But I support all those career paths as well. Advocacy for one, doesn't mean denial of others.
overthemoon 9y ago
I'd characterize my spin as "dour and sullen", thank you. And no, lol, I do not want women to be encouraged to do any one particular thing over another. Women should be allowed to direct their own debasement, just like men. My point was that twisting this kind of grasping, overheated commodification into women's empowerment is actually cynical. I certainly do not dispute the argument re: ambition and the desire for wealth as the source of capitalism's success.
- macspoofing 9y ago
  I can certainly see the ideological direction you're coming from. I'll just say this: there is honor in pushing yourself through hard work and long hours to build a business - and in almost every case, the act of building the business is not an end unto itself. The promise of material gain, and other 'superficial' outcomes is a major driver. There is no shame in that.

Apocryphon 9y ago

A society where get-rich schemes whether they be becoming rich from social media self-branding, investing in crypto, or buying lottery tickets are not so attractive because they seem like the only way to reach financial success, independence, or security.

macspoofing 9y ago
Who is arguing for get-rich quick(?) schemes? >whether they be becoming rich from social media self-branding I'm not worried about that. There is no free lunch and anybody who thinks they can start rolling in Youtube money without putting in a massive amount of work (and even then, there are no guarantees) will figure it quickly enough.

apotheothesomai 9y ago

This has absolutely nothing to do with your tendentious gender-virtuous criticism. That's way out of line. It would be just as bad, if there were an analogous boy's magazine. The point is that replacing the idea of one's worth and potential - girl power/boy power, whatever - with shallow get quick money and get famous schemes is a negative. Would you prefer children who dream of utilizing their potential to become great at something, like a career path, scientist, scholar, artists, farmer etc., or whose dreams are about becoming Youtube stars or selling crap to a bunch of people? As for the general remarks on history, power is the only factor in ambition beyond survival. Material success is just one form of power. Fame is power + self gratification for the emotionally weak. Ephemeral fame and get money quick schemes are superficial and weak means to power. On the other hand, appeals to a universal subject, which doesn't exist, references to human nature, which we can't even define as a term, much less define what the elements of it are, don't really work in a proper argument.

macspoofing 9y ago
>It would be just as bad, if there were an analogous boy's magazine. There's a constant hum about the lack of women entrepreneurs and how women should be encouraged to pursue entrepreneurship, the earlier the better. What do you think that looks like? If you do nothing, that's wrong, if you do something, it will never be right and will be critized. This is an entrepreneurship magazine designed to appeal to teen girls. Entrepreneurship is a boring topic for most teens, so this is their attempt at making it relatable and fun. Give them a break. >Would you prefer children who dream of utilizing their potential to become great at something, like a career path, scientist, scholar, artists, farmer etc., I noticed entrepreneur is not one of the options you listed, which is what this magazine advocates. But I support all those career paths as well. Advocacy for one, doesn't mean denial of others.

overthemoon 9y ago

I'd characterize my spin as "dour and sullen", thank you. And no, lol, I do not want women to be encouraged to do any one particular thing over another. Women should be allowed to direct their own debasement, just like men. My point was that twisting this kind of grasping, overheated commodification into women's empowerment is actually cynical. I certainly do not dispute the argument re: ambition and the desire for wealth as the source of capitalism's success.

macspoofing 9y ago
I can certainly see the ideological direction you're coming from. I'll just say this: there is honor in pushing yourself through hard work and long hours to build a business - and in almost every case, the act of building the business is not an end unto itself. The promise of material gain, and other 'superficial' outcomes is a major driver. There is no shame in that.