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Compared to the current, non-MobilEye Teslas, the Leaf, the A6, the CT6. Even the old Model S has better autonomous driving than the current one. Oh, and Googl

Compared to the current, non-MobilEye Teslas, the Leaf, the A6, the CT6. Even the old Model S has better autonomous driving than the current one. Oh, and Google. By very, very far. Tesla hasn't even caught up to its original Mobileye-powered Autopilot.

toomuchtodo 9y ago
Do any other autopilot systems from legacy automakers improve with over the air software updates? Do they revise their algorithms with fleet data? I can't get Waymo/Google autopilot in a vehicle I can buy. I can get Tesla's autopilot. The latest Tesla autopilot software update (2018.10.4) has shown drastic improvements (30+ Youtube videos from owners in thread): https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/84xt43/collection_of_ap2_2018104_videos/ https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/84xt43/collect...
- ucaetano 9y ago
  Being a "leap forward" still puts it behind others. But if your criteria for quality is being able to hope that one day you'll get an update, well, that still puts you behind Cadillac and possibly others. You can continue to hope and wait for Tesla to deliver. So far, it hasn't.
- jackvalentine 9y ago
  > Do any other autopilot systems from legacy automakers improve with over the air software updates? Who cares? I'm not buying a luxury vehicle on promises of what it might do given enough time.
  - toomuchtodo 9y ago
    To each their own of course. I'd have no qualms about buying my Model S again. I'm unwilling to buy a car stuck in time in it's model year, or that must wait years for a software upgrade. Then again, I'm happy with my iPhone, bugs and all; it'll get updates too, and works just fine between iOS updates.
    - jackvalentine 9y ago
      > I'm unwilling to buy a car stuck in time in it's model year You know I used to think this way, then all my computing devices started changing often for the worse with every update. For me a stable device that doesn't change month-to-month is a feature, not a disadvantage. Give me the LTS branch of the car world.
      - toomuchtodo 9y ago
        I can appreciate that perspective. I want to live at the bleeding edge, and don't mind the inconveniences or regressions. I can't take my money with me when I die, so after savings and basic needs are met, I want to live in the future (even if the products are still in beta!). I can't get that sort of experience from stodgy, risk adverse legacy enterprises. I want to support enterprises that want to succeed or die. EDIT: Edit after your edit, keep the LTS builds, give me nightly! Tests pass? Ship it!
        jackvalentine 9y ago
        Please don't beta test your products on the same roads I'm using with my stable branch ;)
        toomuchtodo 9y ago
        > Tests pass? Ship it! If there are bugs, more tests! And always, always, always degrade gracefully.
        jackvalentine 9y ago
        > I want to live in the future (even if the products are still in beta!) Now we're getting in to why traditional automakers are 'stodgy' and 'risk averse'. I do agree that there is a lot that can be improved in cars, but a ship software at a million miles an hour approach seems like the kind of practice that will end up externalizing the costs to the rest of us. Edit: I'm gonna leave this up, but it doesn't really reflect the friendly tone I'm trying to put across - I've enjoyed this chat.

toomuchtodo 9y ago

Do any other autopilot systems from legacy automakers improve with over the air software updates? Do they revise their algorithms with fleet data? I can't get Waymo/Google autopilot in a vehicle I can buy. I can get Tesla's autopilot. The latest Tesla autopilot software update (2018.10.4) has shown drastic improvements (30+ Youtube videos from owners in thread): https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/84xt43/collection_of_ap2_2018104_videos/ https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/84xt43/collect...

ucaetano 9y ago
Being a "leap forward" still puts it behind others. But if your criteria for quality is being able to hope that one day you'll get an update, well, that still puts you behind Cadillac and possibly others. You can continue to hope and wait for Tesla to deliver. So far, it hasn't.
jackvalentine 9y ago
> Do any other autopilot systems from legacy automakers improve with over the air software updates? Who cares? I'm not buying a luxury vehicle on promises of what it might do given enough time.
- toomuchtodo 9y ago
  To each their own of course. I'd have no qualms about buying my Model S again. I'm unwilling to buy a car stuck in time in it's model year, or that must wait years for a software upgrade. Then again, I'm happy with my iPhone, bugs and all; it'll get updates too, and works just fine between iOS updates.
  - jackvalentine 9y ago
    > I'm unwilling to buy a car stuck in time in it's model year You know I used to think this way, then all my computing devices started changing often for the worse with every update. For me a stable device that doesn't change month-to-month is a feature, not a disadvantage. Give me the LTS branch of the car world.
    - toomuchtodo 9y ago
      I can appreciate that perspective. I want to live at the bleeding edge, and don't mind the inconveniences or regressions. I can't take my money with me when I die, so after savings and basic needs are met, I want to live in the future (even if the products are still in beta!). I can't get that sort of experience from stodgy, risk adverse legacy enterprises. I want to support enterprises that want to succeed or die. EDIT: Edit after your edit, keep the LTS builds, give me nightly! Tests pass? Ship it!
      - jackvalentine 9y ago
        Please don't beta test your products on the same roads I'm using with my stable branch ;)
        toomuchtodo 9y ago
        > Tests pass? Ship it! If there are bugs, more tests! And always, always, always degrade gracefully.
        jackvalentine 9y ago
        > I want to live in the future (even if the products are still in beta!) Now we're getting in to why traditional automakers are 'stodgy' and 'risk averse'. I do agree that there is a lot that can be improved in cars, but a ship software at a million miles an hour approach seems like the kind of practice that will end up externalizing the costs to the rest of us. Edit: I'm gonna leave this up, but it doesn't really reflect the friendly tone I'm trying to put across - I've enjoyed this chat.