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That still doesn't make sense. To prove they checked the form wrong, you have to prove the actual charge itself (e.g. they are a terrorist, by whatever definiti

by paxy 9y ago

That still doesn't make sense. To prove they checked the form wrong, you have to prove the actual charge itself (e.g. they are a terrorist, by whatever definition). That itself is enough evidence for deportation.

MaysonL 9y ago
I would guess that the burden of proof is also less for deportation than for criminal conviction.
adamsea 9y ago
You may have misunderstood - I think the parent is saying its the same principle as, say, convicting Al Capone of tax fraud. Create a large number of small, easy-to-accidentally-violate laws (think police stops and traffic laws here), and then selectively enforce them - so if its difficult to prove someone is a terrorist, kick them out of the country for incorrectly filling out their Form WhateverWhatever1300B instead.
- astura 9y ago
  They got Al Capone on tax evasion (not fraud) because he evaded taxes, not because of some grand scheme. The IRS is interested in collecting taxes, not policing.
  - kijin 9y ago
    On a related note, the IRS also requires that you report and pay taxes on all the money you made by robbing banks, selling drugs, and embezzling your employer's coffers. Nobody who hasn't already been convicted will fill out those forms, of course, but that's another criminal charge if the DA wants to put you away for even longer.
    - astura 9y ago
      The IRS and the DA are different people. The purpose of the IRS is to collect tax on income, not to punish people for obtaining that income illegally.
      - kijin 9y ago
        Sure. But if the IRS comes across evidence of tax evasion, they'll be happy to pass it along to the DA.
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sly010 9y ago
Except the question is "are you or have you been in the past associated with, do you know of, are you a relative of a know or unknown terrorist or a terrorist organization?" (The real question is longer) Then a similar question for nazis, intelligence agencies, military and some more. There is a podcast of a story of an immigrant who was associated with a group as a kid. Decades _after_ him immigrating to the US the US declared the group a terrorist organization. Will post the link if I find it.
- yread 9y ago
  Yeah truthful answer would be "gosh i have 500 facebook friends for like 10 years who knows what they have been up to". I'm still not gonna check that box though

by paxy 9y ago

MaysonL 9y ago

I would guess that the burden of proof is also less for deportation than for criminal conviction.

adamsea 9y ago

You may have misunderstood - I think the parent is saying its the same principle as, say, convicting Al Capone of tax fraud. Create a large number of small, easy-to-accidentally-violate laws (think police stops and traffic laws here), and then selectively enforce them - so if its difficult to prove someone is a terrorist, kick them out of the country for incorrectly filling out their Form WhateverWhatever1300B instead.

astura 9y ago
They got Al Capone on tax evasion (not fraud) because he evaded taxes, not because of some grand scheme. The IRS is interested in collecting taxes, not policing.
- kijin 9y ago
  On a related note, the IRS also requires that you report and pay taxes on all the money you made by robbing banks, selling drugs, and embezzling your employer's coffers. Nobody who hasn't already been convicted will fill out those forms, of course, but that's another criminal charge if the DA wants to put you away for even longer.
  - astura 9y ago
    The IRS and the DA are different people. The purpose of the IRS is to collect tax on income, not to punish people for obtaining that income illegally.
    - kijin 9y ago
      Sure. But if the IRS comes across evidence of tax evasion, they'll be happy to pass it along to the DA.
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sly010 9y ago

Except the question is "are you or have you been in the past associated with, do you know of, are you a relative of a know or unknown terrorist or a terrorist organization?" (The real question is longer) Then a similar question for nazis, intelligence agencies, military and some more. There is a podcast of a story of an immigrant who was associated with a group as a kid. Decades _after_ him immigrating to the US the US declared the group a terrorist organization. Will post the link if I find it.

yread 9y ago
Yeah truthful answer would be "gosh i have 500 facebook friends for like 10 years who knows what they have been up to". I'm still not gonna check that box though