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Your wife forgets to list that yahoo mail account to which she no longer has access and everything is deleted: family gets deported.* You forget to list that L

Your wife forgets to list that yahoo mail account to which she no longer has access and everything is deleted: family gets deported.* You forget to list that LiveJournal, Advogato or Quora accounts: family gets deported.* Your daughter forgets to list that Pinterest account: family gets deported.* Your son forgets to list that last.fm or SoundCloud account: family gets deported.* Your mom forgets her Academia.edu account and Mittens forgets her vampirefreaks account: family gets deported.* [*] or separated...

saiya-jin 9y ago
so they can move to much more sane society which actually look like something from 21st century - Europe (or Australia if you prefer surfing, skin cancer and deadly animals all around)
_acme 9y ago
Under what conditions would any of these events actually occur? The government isn't going to waste resources to deport someone solely for forgetting an account; they would only go to such effort if there's another reason that they actually care about to deport that person.
- saagarjha 9y ago
  It provides an excuse to be selectively abused to deport people, since it applies so broadly.
- musage 9y ago
  > they would only go to such effort if there's another reason that they actually care about to deport that person. They would do that under those conditions. Not "only". So you answered your own question, if you actually want to make the argument (via slipping in that "only") that it's okay for the govt to use this to get rid of people they want to get rid of for reasons that on their own aren't sufficient, then make the argument.
- larkeith 9y ago
  The point isn't to go after everyone who fails to completely or accurately answer, but rather to provide a pretext for the deportation of people the government disfavor but lack a criminal case against; for example, an immigrant opposition leader, protestor, or whistleblower.
  - conkerspoon 9y ago
    You forgot brown people. That's who will be targeted the most.
    - conkerspoon 9y ago
      Love the downvotes. The current US administration is racist through and through. This kind of very broad net will be used to target undesirables... which means brown people in the eyes of the human garbage who comprise current US leadership. The truth hurts, right America?
    - hluska 9y ago
      With all due respect, I've been reading your comments on this thread and you sound completely off your rocker. You'd be surprised by how much more weight your opinions would hold if you'd cut the childish, pseudo-political statements about 'brown people', how the US is on the downslope and any disgusting statements calling an entire country "garbage".
  - opportune 9y ago
    Yes exactly. Laws which de jure make everyone a criminal simply give the government an excuse to de facto imprison or expel whomever they want, and should be avoided at all costs
    - bsimpson 9y ago
      This is the same reason it bothers me that the actual speed limit is an unknown and inconsistent number approximately 15mph above the one they post and can punish you for exceeding.
    - 9y ago
- sunir 9y ago
  You have the wrong question. Whom would it waste resources to deport? Then can they use this to easily create legal pretext to do so?
- ocschwar 9y ago
  > Under what conditions would any of these events actually occur? Someone with friends in high places decides he doesn't like your ugly face. So long as that doesn't happen, the government will ignore the omissions you made in the visa application. But now they have a pretext for deporting you as soon as they feel like it.
- pjc50 9y ago
  In the UK, the government stupidly set a net migration target. Therefore there is an incentive to deport anyone simply to meet quota. Latest round of stupidity is schemes to encourage doctors to come work in rural areas ... that don't meet the salary requirements for visas, so the NHS spends money recruiting people that the Home Office rejects.

saiya-jin 9y ago

so they can move to much more sane society which actually look like something from 21st century - Europe (or Australia if you prefer surfing, skin cancer and deadly animals all around)

_acme 9y ago

Under what conditions would any of these events actually occur? The government isn't going to waste resources to deport someone solely for forgetting an account; they would only go to such effort if there's another reason that they actually care about to deport that person.

saagarjha 9y ago
It provides an excuse to be selectively abused to deport people, since it applies so broadly.
musage 9y ago
> they would only go to such effort if there's another reason that they actually care about to deport that person. They would do that under those conditions. Not "only". So you answered your own question, if you actually want to make the argument (via slipping in that "only") that it's okay for the govt to use this to get rid of people they want to get rid of for reasons that on their own aren't sufficient, then make the argument.
larkeith 9y ago
The point isn't to go after everyone who fails to completely or accurately answer, but rather to provide a pretext for the deportation of people the government disfavor but lack a criminal case against; for example, an immigrant opposition leader, protestor, or whistleblower.
- conkerspoon 9y ago
  You forgot brown people. That's who will be targeted the most.
  - conkerspoon 9y ago
    Love the downvotes. The current US administration is racist through and through. This kind of very broad net will be used to target undesirables... which means brown people in the eyes of the human garbage who comprise current US leadership. The truth hurts, right America?
  - hluska 9y ago
    With all due respect, I've been reading your comments on this thread and you sound completely off your rocker. You'd be surprised by how much more weight your opinions would hold if you'd cut the childish, pseudo-political statements about 'brown people', how the US is on the downslope and any disgusting statements calling an entire country "garbage".
- opportune 9y ago
  Yes exactly. Laws which de jure make everyone a criminal simply give the government an excuse to de facto imprison or expel whomever they want, and should be avoided at all costs
  - bsimpson 9y ago
    This is the same reason it bothers me that the actual speed limit is an unknown and inconsistent number approximately 15mph above the one they post and can punish you for exceeding.
  - 9y ago
sunir 9y ago
You have the wrong question. Whom would it waste resources to deport? Then can they use this to easily create legal pretext to do so?
ocschwar 9y ago
> Under what conditions would any of these events actually occur? Someone with friends in high places decides he doesn't like your ugly face. So long as that doesn't happen, the government will ignore the omissions you made in the visa application. But now they have a pretext for deporting you as soon as they feel like it.
pjc50 9y ago
In the UK, the government stupidly set a net migration target. Therefore there is an incentive to deport anyone simply to meet quota. Latest round of stupidity is schemes to encourage doctors to come work in rural areas ... that don't meet the salary requirements for visas, so the NHS spends money recruiting people that the Home Office rejects.