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> It simply gets tiring for people to argue ad infinitum about this with every non-believer. And the true believers are the ones who will be lambo rich as long

> It simply gets tiring for people to argue ad infinitum about this with every non-believer. And the true believers are the ones who will be lambo rich as long as they keep buying and holding, right? Just keep hyping up all these empty promises... some rube out there will buy into it.

throwawaylolx 9y ago
>empty promises Can you please support your position? Bitcoin promised a digital decentralized payment solution, and it delivered the first solution in history. Monero promised anonymized payments, and they delivered the most private solution for untraceable digital currency. Can you point me to the superior non-blockchain alternatives?
- toomuchtodo 9y ago
  > Can you point me to the superior non-blockchain alternatives? Credit cards, p2p payments in various countries, and cash. All digital currencies in one form or another are inferior to existing financial instruments.
  - throwawaylolx 9y ago
    >Credit cards Not anonymous nor decentralized > p2p payments in various countries Such as? >cash Not digital. >All digital currencies in one form or another are inferior to existing financial instruments. Then please explain to me how do I make an anonymous payment online without a third party using existing financial instruments.
    - toomuchtodo 9y ago
      Explain to me where this is a valid use case. I think that’s where we disagree. I don’t see the need for anonymous electronic payments.
      - throwawaylolx 9y ago
        >Explain to me where this is a valid use case Random examples: - Brendan Eich was purged for being found to have donated to anti-gay marriage campaigns. Therefore, donating anonymously is obviously desirable for many people as your current beliefs may affect your career when the general rhetoric changes. Similarly, anonymous donations, which are very common, may be your preferred choice simply because you don't want the receiver or anyone else to know - You were diagnosed with a mental disorder in your home country, and you move to a different country. In the new country, the medication you were prescribed is not available for pharmacies to sell. All the alternative medications you tried do not work, and it's illegal to buy your medication that was legal in the other country. With non-anonymous payments, buying the medication through financial services would put you at a high risk, so you would be forced to sacrifice your wellbeing/mental health. - Your government is aggressively hyperinflating your national currency or capital controls limit the amount that you can cash out daily to $X. Use of credit or debit to pay out of the country is banned. You want to use a decentralized currency that need not be approved by the government or any other third party that you need to trust. Anonymity is optional, but perhaps you don't want to risk having your digital wealth traced back to your real ID. - You value your privacy. Maybe because you don't want companies to sell your data for machine learning algorithms to track your payment behavior and apply "price discrimination" algorithms to you. Maybe you believe that it is only your business who you pay and what you pay for, and you don't trust that any of these will not be used against you in the future if used via a centralized entity. All based on real events. >I think that's where we disagree We disagree that situations that are not relevant to you may be relevant to others?
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        s73v3r_ 9y ago
        "Brendan Eich was purged for being found to have donated to anti-gay marriage campaigns. " I love how the takeaway from this is always, "We need more private ways to exchange money!" rather than, "You know, maybe you should have opinions that respect the human rights of others."

throwawaylolx 9y ago

>empty promises Can you please support your position? Bitcoin promised a digital decentralized payment solution, and it delivered the first solution in history. Monero promised anonymized payments, and they delivered the most private solution for untraceable digital currency. Can you point me to the superior non-blockchain alternatives?

toomuchtodo 9y ago
> Can you point me to the superior non-blockchain alternatives? Credit cards, p2p payments in various countries, and cash. All digital currencies in one form or another are inferior to existing financial instruments.
- throwawaylolx 9y ago
  >Credit cards Not anonymous nor decentralized > p2p payments in various countries Such as? >cash Not digital. >All digital currencies in one form or another are inferior to existing financial instruments. Then please explain to me how do I make an anonymous payment online without a third party using existing financial instruments.
  - toomuchtodo 9y ago
    Explain to me where this is a valid use case. I think that’s where we disagree. I don’t see the need for anonymous electronic payments.
    - throwawaylolx 9y ago
      >Explain to me where this is a valid use case Random examples: - Brendan Eich was purged for being found to have donated to anti-gay marriage campaigns. Therefore, donating anonymously is obviously desirable for many people as your current beliefs may affect your career when the general rhetoric changes. Similarly, anonymous donations, which are very common, may be your preferred choice simply because you don't want the receiver or anyone else to know - You were diagnosed with a mental disorder in your home country, and you move to a different country. In the new country, the medication you were prescribed is not available for pharmacies to sell. All the alternative medications you tried do not work, and it's illegal to buy your medication that was legal in the other country. With non-anonymous payments, buying the medication through financial services would put you at a high risk, so you would be forced to sacrifice your wellbeing/mental health. - Your government is aggressively hyperinflating your national currency or capital controls limit the amount that you can cash out daily to $X. Use of credit or debit to pay out of the country is banned. You want to use a decentralized currency that need not be approved by the government or any other third party that you need to trust. Anonymity is optional, but perhaps you don't want to risk having your digital wealth traced back to your real ID. - You value your privacy. Maybe because you don't want companies to sell your data for machine learning algorithms to track your payment behavior and apply "price discrimination" algorithms to you. Maybe you believe that it is only your business who you pay and what you pay for, and you don't trust that any of these will not be used against you in the future if used via a centralized entity. All based on real events. >I think that's where we disagree We disagree that situations that are not relevant to you may be relevant to others?
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      - s73v3r_ 9y ago
        "Brendan Eich was purged for being found to have donated to anti-gay marriage campaigns. " I love how the takeaway from this is always, "We need more private ways to exchange money!" rather than, "You know, maybe you should have opinions that respect the human rights of others."