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the effort to make the US even more unappealing to immigrants marches on...

by jgh 9y ago

huhtenberg 9y ago
Not just immigrants, but all visitors.
- MaysonL 9y ago
  Education was a big component of US services export. How many students will this insanity discourage from even applying to US schools? And this from an administration that supposedly worries about the trade deficit.
- swebs 9y ago
  Nah, citizens of most first world countries don't need a visa to enter the US if they're visiting for less than 90 days. This includes western Europe, Australia, Japan, South Korea, the Baltic countries, etc. You can just get on a plane and fly over. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Waiver_Program#/media/File:Visa_policy_of_the_USA.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Waiver_Program#/media/Fil...
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    > Nah, citizens of most first world countries don't need a visa to enter the US if they're visiting for less than 90 days. That's true, though the Trump Administration has tightened rules for the Visa Waiver Program last year, after floating the idea that they might seek to end it entirely. So, I think it's perfectly valid to see this as part of a broad policy of making the US less welcome to visitors and immigrants in general, though that policy is also more intensely focussed on repelling immigrants and visitors from non-first-world (or, in the language of our President, “shithole”) countries.
  - Strom 9y ago
    True but the ESTA application has been asking for social media accounts for some time already. I was definitely surprised to see them explicitly asking me for my github account. Luckily it’s optional right now and I got approved without giving anything, but now the infrastructure is there and they only need to flip the required bit.
  - hobos_delight 9y ago
    > You can just get on a plane and fly over. Not quite - you will need an ESTA - a visa waiver, and the airlines (usually) check before you board that you have a current one. But they are valid for two years, and trivial to get via the webapp.
    - fernandotakai 9y ago
      and a visa/ESTA does not mean you can get into the country. border control can and will vet you if they don't like you.
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innocentoldguy 9y ago
It's not just immigrants. I'm a citizen and am flying back from a two week trip to Japan today. One of the things that really stands out every time I make this trip is how pleasant, friendly, and helpful the Japanese customs and immigration agents are compared to the un-wiped ass wrinkles that are their American counterparts. I honestly think it is possible to assess those entering the U.S. without being a complete asshole during the process.
- jayess 9y ago
  I travel internationally frequently and have never had trouble with US Customs. I think Argentina was the one I've had the most trouble with, and that was minor.
  - innocentoldguy 9y ago
    I travel internationally all the time as well, and my experience is that US immigration and customs treat people like suspects whereas their counterparts in Japan, and other countries I frequently visit, treat people like welcome guests.
XJOKOLAT 9y ago
the effort to make the US even more unappealing ... marches on ...
avtar 9y ago
Immigration aside, I would be curious to see if this type of stance has any impact on tourism stats. I assumed once travel bans started being introduced that conference organizers would adopt stronger preferences for other countries as potential locations but I'm not sure if that's actually happened.
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- anigbrowl 9y ago
  The data you want are in table C https://travel.trade.gov/view/m-2017-I-001/index.asp https://travel.trade.gov/view/m-2017-I-001/index.asp
peter303 9y ago
I've heard the local technical university is seeing about third of the international students having visa delays. This was from a talk by a engineering dept head on March 26.

the effort to make the US even more unappealing to immigrants marches on...

by jgh 9y ago

the effort to make the US even more unappealing to immigrants marches on...

huhtenberg 9y ago

Not just immigrants, but all visitors.

MaysonL 9y ago
Education was a big component of US services export. How many students will this insanity discourage from even applying to US schools? And this from an administration that supposedly worries about the trade deficit.
swebs 9y ago
Nah, citizens of most first world countries don't need a visa to enter the US if they're visiting for less than 90 days. This includes western Europe, Australia, Japan, South Korea, the Baltic countries, etc. You can just get on a plane and fly over. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Waiver_Program#/media/File:Visa_policy_of_the_USA.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Waiver_Program#/media/Fil...
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > Nah, citizens of most first world countries don't need a visa to enter the US if they're visiting for less than 90 days. That's true, though the Trump Administration has tightened rules for the Visa Waiver Program last year, after floating the idea that they might seek to end it entirely. So, I think it's perfectly valid to see this as part of a broad policy of making the US less welcome to visitors and immigrants in general, though that policy is also more intensely focussed on repelling immigrants and visitors from non-first-world (or, in the language of our President, “shithole”) countries.
- Strom 9y ago
  True but the ESTA application has been asking for social media accounts for some time already. I was definitely surprised to see them explicitly asking me for my github account. Luckily it’s optional right now and I got approved without giving anything, but now the infrastructure is there and they only need to flip the required bit.
- hobos_delight 9y ago
  > You can just get on a plane and fly over. Not quite - you will need an ESTA - a visa waiver, and the airlines (usually) check before you board that you have a current one. But they are valid for two years, and trivial to get via the webapp.
  - fernandotakai 9y ago
    and a visa/ESTA does not mean you can get into the country. border control can and will vet you if they don't like you.
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innocentoldguy 9y ago

It's not just immigrants. I'm a citizen and am flying back from a two week trip to Japan today. One of the things that really stands out every time I make this trip is how pleasant, friendly, and helpful the Japanese customs and immigration agents are compared to the un-wiped ass wrinkles that are their American counterparts. I honestly think it is possible to assess those entering the U.S. without being a complete asshole during the process.

jayess 9y ago
I travel internationally frequently and have never had trouble with US Customs. I think Argentina was the one I've had the most trouble with, and that was minor.
- innocentoldguy 9y ago
  I travel internationally all the time as well, and my experience is that US immigration and customs treat people like suspects whereas their counterparts in Japan, and other countries I frequently visit, treat people like welcome guests.

XJOKOLAT 9y ago

the effort to make the US even more unappealing ... marches on ...

avtar 9y ago

Immigration aside, I would be curious to see if this type of stance has any impact on tourism stats. I assumed once travel bans started being introduced that conference organizers would adopt stronger preferences for other countries as potential locations but I'm not sure if that's actually happened.

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anigbrowl 9y ago
The data you want are in table C https://travel.trade.gov/view/m-2017-I-001/index.asp https://travel.trade.gov/view/m-2017-I-001/index.asp

peter303 9y ago

I've heard the local technical university is seeing about third of the international students having visa delays. This was from a talk by a engineering dept head on March 26.