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OK great. Now how do you get "the blockchain" to know which paper rolls went into which shipping container.

by CPLX 9y ago

sp527 9y ago
I've heard the logistics value prop from a number of people, and not a single person has ever been able to fully articulate an answer to "okay walk me through how it works". I once literally went through 5+ iterations of this with a friend that devolved into hand-waving.
- bjelkeman-again 9y ago
  Provenance seems to be making headway. Not finding a detailed, recent white paper, but here is some reading: https://www.provenance.org/news/technology/blockchain-series-part-2-blockchains-vs-centralised-systems https://www.provenance.org/news/technology/blockchain-series...
donmatito 9y ago
how about scanning a barcode or a RFID reader ? This information is already read and stored in ERP. Is it such a technological step to imagine a RFID reader or an ERP module that would write the information in a blockchain? I don't see the objection here. The blockchain would be a decentralized papertrail accessible to all actors of the supply chain, down to the end consumer ideally, instead of the current nightmare of shipment papers, siloed ERPs and so on
- Mithorium 9y ago
  lazy actor: I print out the barcodes, and stick them on the paper rolls at random bad actor: I manufacture the cheaper rolls, and stick labels for the expensive ones on, and scan them How will "the blockchain" prevent either scenario
  - Drdrdrq 9y ago
    Lazy actor: receiver will scan the codes and see that data doesn't match, thus they can't trust the sender. Bad actor: unless you intend to use rolls by yourself, what do you gain? You can't sell the better rolls as such, because you have broken chain of trust. But such arguments lead nowhere. Of course you can come up with scenarios which can be misused. The real challenge (and one that is being solved by lots of people in crypto world - well, at least those that aren't consumed by greed) is finding scenarios that work. The ability to store information cheaply and immutably can change many industries, but technology must be deployed in such way that it makes sense.

OK great. Now how do you get "the blockchain" to know which paper rolls went into which shipping container.

by CPLX 9y ago

OK great. Now how do you get "the blockchain" to know which paper rolls went into which shipping container.

I've heard the logistics value prop from a number of people, and not a single person has ever been able to fully articulate an answer to "okay walk me through how it works". I once literally went through 5+ iterations of this with a friend that devolved into hand-waving.

bjelkeman-again 9y ago
Provenance seems to be making headway. Not finding a detailed, recent white paper, but here is some reading: https://www.provenance.org/news/technology/blockchain-series-part-2-blockchains-vs-centralised-systems https://www.provenance.org/news/technology/blockchain-series...

donmatito 9y ago

how about scanning a barcode or a RFID reader ? This information is already read and stored in ERP. Is it such a technological step to imagine a RFID reader or an ERP module that would write the information in a blockchain? I don't see the objection here. The blockchain would be a decentralized papertrail accessible to all actors of the supply chain, down to the end consumer ideally, instead of the current nightmare of shipment papers, siloed ERPs and so on

Mithorium 9y ago
lazy actor: I print out the barcodes, and stick them on the paper rolls at random bad actor: I manufacture the cheaper rolls, and stick labels for the expensive ones on, and scan them How will "the blockchain" prevent either scenario
- Drdrdrq 9y ago
  Lazy actor: receiver will scan the codes and see that data doesn't match, thus they can't trust the sender. Bad actor: unless you intend to use rolls by yourself, what do you gain? You can't sell the better rolls as such, because you have broken chain of trust. But such arguments lead nowhere. Of course you can come up with scenarios which can be misused. The real challenge (and one that is being solved by lots of people in crypto world - well, at least those that aren't consumed by greed) is finding scenarios that work. The ability to store information cheaply and immutably can change many industries, but technology must be deployed in such way that it makes sense.