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HN folks without kids of a certain age may not realize just how deeply children today are into Youtube personalities/channels, Twitch streamers, etc. That bein

HN folks without kids of a certain age may not realize just how deeply children today are into Youtube personalities/channels, Twitch streamers, etc. That being said, I think it's generally a positive thing. Teen Boss isn't replacing kids reading the WSJ, it's replacing tweens swooning over boy band photos in Tiger Beat. YT/Streaming isn't without its weirdness, but it's significantly more participatory and encouraging of people creating and making things as an alternative to purely consuming media. I'd rather my daughter want to make YouTube videos and open an Etsy shop with her designs than mindlessly watch Hannah Montana (which I feel like is the equivalent from a decade ago). As a peek into this world, check out Rosanna Pansino (Nerdy Nummies YT channel) and how successful she is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i2cebTn0nc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i2cebTn0nc There are worse role models for kids.

cat199 9y ago
> There are worse role models for kids. until you see the instagram/snap feeds of these 'kids' once they become 18+.. the unnerving thing about this isn't what's on the surface - it's the preemptive/subliminal training towards 'monetizing their image' which is basically training to become defacto prostitutes in adulthood..
- mikeash 9y ago
  As opposed to us 80s kids, who were just taught to monetize our time and health.
- ryanmarsh 9y ago
  I’m so happy my middle daughter idolizes an artist who streams herself drawing and gaming as opposed to Selena Gomez who her elder sister compared herself too. Children have more choices for idols today and that’s good. Many children are thinking entrepreneurially and I’m happy they have role models. I don’t care if the magazine looks like Tiger Beat. I’m a small business owner and I want my kids to grow up understanding the hustle mindset as opposed to the employee mindset.
spaceflunky 9y ago
what stands out to me, is what appears to be the "get rich quick nature" of all the articles. call me old fashion, but at that age I'd rather be teaching kids the value of hard work, delayed gratification, research, skepticism, etc, etc. In fact I'd rather kids would read the WSJ than this garbage, at least then they'd understand how hard it is to start and maintain a business. Otherwise you're setting this kids up to follow every MLM trap they got offered later on in life. HODL HODL HODL am i right?
- kristianc 9y ago
  As opposed to 'I generated $32k in 30 days selling a crypto USB stick' that is currently #3 on this forum? Or is that completely different?
  - enticeing 9y ago
    You're saying that like spaceflunky's comment included an endorsement for that post, or that his posting a comment here means that he approves of every single post on the site.
    - kristianc 9y ago
      I'm saying that there seems to be a disparity in the value judgements the HN hive-mind applies to itself, and the entrepreneurial activities of young women. Go on the thread for yourself, there are lots of people picking apart the idea, but no one saying the creator is foolhardy for favoring an entrepreneurial career / calling him a scammer.
      - hn_throwaway_99 9y ago
        I think the "get rich quick" schemes here are just as bad, but I don't think it's a logical inconsistency to argue that it's one thing to target these kinds of articles to adults and quite another to target them to young children.
        9y ago
rayiner 9y ago
My daughter is super into JoJo Siwa, and YouTube videos of girls playing make believe with their toys. It’s kids creating content for kids. I don’t get the article’s angle at all. It’s way better than what I was into at that age—ninja turtles and power ranges, cartoons designed by adults primarily to sell toys.
- ryandrake 9y ago
  Yea, this is so much better than the crap I was into as a kid. I’d be thrilled if my daughter took an early interest in business and making money, even if it’s superficial and simplified for kid audiences.
  - joering2 9y ago
    Why is that? Why don't you let your daughter have innocent, playful, silly, immature childhood that she is entitled to? If your daughter wants to learn about successful business and making money, she will very soon look into characters like Trump, or Koch brothers, or even tycoon oils Rockefellers. There was nothing for a child to look into the souls of these characters; business is tough, its jungle, and you make extra buck when you didn't have to but took it away from someone anyways. I don't think I would want my children to be exposed to this kind of shit without their brains being properly wired already.
    - BadassFractal 9y ago
      That's cherry picking the arguably worst examples in capitalism and claiming that they represent the whole. We have Gates, Buffett, Musk, Carnegie and many others who are/were making a huge difference either with their businesses or the wealth that those businesses earned them. You can't have the good without the bad. You cannot learn about the great rulers of history without also learning about the genocidal maniacs. I know it's sexy for modern day champagne socialists to rant about this on /r/LateStageCapitalism and co. and signal through communism LARPing. I'm however confident the HN crowd is a little more educated than that.
spinach 9y ago
I doubt this would replace swooning over boy band photos though, that will happen in parallel. Just like a similar thing for boys wouldn't replace porn, right?
andrepd 9y ago
>That being said, I think it's generally a positive thing. Teen Boss isn't replacing kids reading the WSJ, it's replacing tweens swooning over boy band photos in Tiger Beat. Being into boy bands is a perfectly harmless (and normal) use of a teenager's time. Being obsessed with emulating their YouTube idols on the path to riches, is insidious, demoralising when you realise most of it is luck, which you will not have, it's perverted and unhealthy.
musage 9y ago
> Teen Boss isn't replacing kids reading the WSJ, it's replacing tweens swooning over boy band photos in Tiger Beat. Why not say it "replaces" flying kites in the park? > YT/Streaming isn't without its weirdness, but it's significantly more participatory and encouraging of people creating and making things as an alternative to purely consuming media. Another false dichotomy. > There are worse role models for kids. Duh. You can say that about anything. If that's what you're reaching for as the first thing to say why something is "good", you should ask yourself what's going on. Being obsessed with popularity is one thing, using numbers as "measure" of popularity is one degree more messed up. Are there also better role models, or are these the best anyone could hope for?

cat199 9y ago

> There are worse role models for kids. until you see the instagram/snap feeds of these 'kids' once they become 18+.. the unnerving thing about this isn't what's on the surface - it's the preemptive/subliminal training towards 'monetizing their image' which is basically training to become defacto prostitutes in adulthood..

mikeash 9y ago
As opposed to us 80s kids, who were just taught to monetize our time and health.
ryanmarsh 9y ago
I’m so happy my middle daughter idolizes an artist who streams herself drawing and gaming as opposed to Selena Gomez who her elder sister compared herself too. Children have more choices for idols today and that’s good. Many children are thinking entrepreneurially and I’m happy they have role models. I don’t care if the magazine looks like Tiger Beat. I’m a small business owner and I want my kids to grow up understanding the hustle mindset as opposed to the employee mindset.

spaceflunky 9y ago

what stands out to me, is what appears to be the "get rich quick nature" of all the articles. call me old fashion, but at that age I'd rather be teaching kids the value of hard work, delayed gratification, research, skepticism, etc, etc. In fact I'd rather kids would read the WSJ than this garbage, at least then they'd understand how hard it is to start and maintain a business. Otherwise you're setting this kids up to follow every MLM trap they got offered later on in life. HODL HODL HODL am i right?

kristianc 9y ago
As opposed to 'I generated $32k in 30 days selling a crypto USB stick' that is currently #3 on this forum? Or is that completely different?
- enticeing 9y ago
  You're saying that like spaceflunky's comment included an endorsement for that post, or that his posting a comment here means that he approves of every single post on the site.
  - kristianc 9y ago
    I'm saying that there seems to be a disparity in the value judgements the HN hive-mind applies to itself, and the entrepreneurial activities of young women. Go on the thread for yourself, there are lots of people picking apart the idea, but no one saying the creator is foolhardy for favoring an entrepreneurial career / calling him a scammer.
    - hn_throwaway_99 9y ago
      I think the "get rich quick" schemes here are just as bad, but I don't think it's a logical inconsistency to argue that it's one thing to target these kinds of articles to adults and quite another to target them to young children.
      - 9y ago

rayiner 9y ago

My daughter is super into JoJo Siwa, and YouTube videos of girls playing make believe with their toys. It’s kids creating content for kids. I don’t get the article’s angle at all. It’s way better than what I was into at that age—ninja turtles and power ranges, cartoons designed by adults primarily to sell toys.

ryandrake 9y ago
Yea, this is so much better than the crap I was into as a kid. I’d be thrilled if my daughter took an early interest in business and making money, even if it’s superficial and simplified for kid audiences.
- joering2 9y ago
  Why is that? Why don't you let your daughter have innocent, playful, silly, immature childhood that she is entitled to? If your daughter wants to learn about successful business and making money, she will very soon look into characters like Trump, or Koch brothers, or even tycoon oils Rockefellers. There was nothing for a child to look into the souls of these characters; business is tough, its jungle, and you make extra buck when you didn't have to but took it away from someone anyways. I don't think I would want my children to be exposed to this kind of shit without their brains being properly wired already.
  - BadassFractal 9y ago
    That's cherry picking the arguably worst examples in capitalism and claiming that they represent the whole. We have Gates, Buffett, Musk, Carnegie and many others who are/were making a huge difference either with their businesses or the wealth that those businesses earned them. You can't have the good without the bad. You cannot learn about the great rulers of history without also learning about the genocidal maniacs. I know it's sexy for modern day champagne socialists to rant about this on /r/LateStageCapitalism and co. and signal through communism LARPing. I'm however confident the HN crowd is a little more educated than that.

spinach 9y ago

I doubt this would replace swooning over boy band photos though, that will happen in parallel. Just like a similar thing for boys wouldn't replace porn, right?

andrepd 9y ago

>That being said, I think it's generally a positive thing. Teen Boss isn't replacing kids reading the WSJ, it's replacing tweens swooning over boy band photos in Tiger Beat. Being into boy bands is a perfectly harmless (and normal) use of a teenager's time. Being obsessed with emulating their YouTube idols on the path to riches, is insidious, demoralising when you realise most of it is luck, which you will not have, it's perverted and unhealthy.

musage 9y ago

> Teen Boss isn't replacing kids reading the WSJ, it's replacing tweens swooning over boy band photos in Tiger Beat. Why not say it "replaces" flying kites in the park? > YT/Streaming isn't without its weirdness, but it's significantly more participatory and encouraging of people creating and making things as an alternative to purely consuming media. Another false dichotomy. > There are worse role models for kids. Duh. You can say that about anything. If that's what you're reaching for as the first thing to say why something is "good", you should ask yourself what's going on. Being obsessed with popularity is one thing, using numbers as "measure" of popularity is one degree more messed up. Are there also better role models, or are these the best anyone could hope for?