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How is it that the manufacturers haven't had a class action put their way? I mean, they are knowingly making a product that fails in regular usage in a way that

How is it that the manufacturers haven't had a class action put their way? I mean, they are knowingly making a product that fails in regular usage in a way that is almost impossible to prevent or detect completely. I'd suggest these types of scrapers be legislated against since they are incapable of being used safely in reasonable intended usage.

numbsafari 9y ago
Yeah, well, good thing we have OpenBazaar so that people like you won't be able to keep me from exercising my freedom to use a real manly brush to do a real manly job. I'm sure that really offends you, but I'm no snowflake. I can make my own bristle material decisions for my self and on behalf of everyone I cook for./s
- mrhappyunhappy 9y ago
  You ruined it with /s
  - gpvos 9y ago
    Actually he saved it.
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    - firefistace77 9y ago
      I don't know, it's my opinion, but I feel like the /s trend/adaptation has ruined a lot of the jokes for me by being overly explicit and not leaving any ambiguity...where is the fun in that :P
      - gpvos 9y ago
        I think on HN the need for clarity is seen as more important than having fun, because misunderstandings can do more damage than fun can create pleasure. This unfortunately limits the number of meta-levels (or ambiguity) you can use in jokes or sarcasm. But I guess it's worth the tradeoff. And actually with a bit of effort you can often have both.
        bookofjoe 9y ago
        HN quote of the year IMHO: "I think on HN the need for clarity is seen as more important than having fun..."
        lovemenot 9y ago
        2018 is still only 1/4 through.
      - latexr 9y ago
        I also understood it as a joke before I reached the `/s`, but not everyone might’ve. Case in point, there’s another post on this thread[1] where another joke (as I see it) was made and the first reply is someone taking it seriously. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16708477 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16708477
- cgmg 9y ago
  > to use a real manly brush to do a real manly job What does manliness have to do with this?
  - mirimir 9y ago
    Because men were stereotypically more likely to do risky physical stuff. Especially if it's stupidly funny. But of course, that's less so now in many cultures, as women grow up feeling more freedom to Darwin out. > Unintentional injuries are the #3 leading cause of death among men, but it is #6 for women. This is probably due to the fact that men are much more prone to saying things like, "Hold my beer, and watch this." Also, men tend to work in more dangerous professions where being killed on the job is a possibility. https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/04/20/top-10-causes-death-arent-same-men-and-women-11169 https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/04/20/top-10-causes-death-are...
banned1 9y ago
You must be a lawyer. Dude, can we keep the laws simple? I mean, I wish I could sue manufacturers of jeans (hate seeing someone’s crack when they bend), I hate toothpicks (super useful but sometimes I hurt my gums), I hate carpets (sometimes the static electricity creates a spark that hurts my hand when I attempt to open a metal door), and I hate brooms (they never quite get all the dust gathered). I also would like to sue the makers of Fortnite as I was one of the last two and a glitch froze my gun for two seconds, which allowed my opponent an unfair advantage which created pain and suffering for me.
- arrosenberg 9y ago
  None of the inconveniences you mentioned will end with you in a surgical OR having them removed from your digestive tract or worse (unless you are in the habit of swallowing toothpicks).
  - banned1 9y ago
    I am a snowflake: you should have seen me after I got killed in Fortnite. Could barely breath!
    - sctb 9y ago
      If you won't comment civilly and substantively like the guidelines ask we'll ban the account. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - monkeynotes 9y ago
    Don't feed the trolls :)
    - banned1 9y ago
      Sorry. Yeah, that was “trolly.” Will tone it down now. Apologies.
dsfyu404ed 9y ago
The stainless counters, sinks, appliances, etc. in a typical restaurant kitchen spent plenty of time being wire brushes when they were fabricated and approximately none of the bristles shed during that process ever made it into anyone's food because those surfaces were cleaned of debris before being used. Wire brushes and stainless steel scrub pads are incredibly common in food-service. Steel scrapers are commonly used on aluminum sheet pans all the time. Green srub pads shed fibers. The "dirty" side of a kitchen is chock full of debris you don't want to eat You don't wind up with this debris in food because the things being cleaned are cleaned properly. Scrubbing just breaks off stuff that's caked on. It doesn't remove them except for the few removed by gravity. Dirt, metal and burnt food particles all need to be removed from the thing they're on. This is done by washing and rinsing. The water doesn't know or care whether it's washing away burnt food or wire bristles that were left there while breaking loose the burnt food. If things are being done properly it all goes down the drain. Simply brushing your grill and nothing else is not an adequate cleaning job. You wouldn't just scrape off a pan and then use it without washing and rinsing it. The stuff in a commercial kitchen is (for the most part) designed to be quick and easy to clean properly. Most appliances and surfaces are wash down capable. Anything that's loose can be gotten off of them with a properly directed stream of water. Corners and crevices that are hard to clean are kept to a minimum. Designing things so that an overworked food-service worker can still clean them well enough helps a lot. This isn't a wire brush problem. This is a people too lazy to clean things problem that's aggravated by the fact that the contents of the average consumer kitchen were not designed to quickly and easily cleanable and the average consumer will not be fired if they habitually fail to clean things properly. I do not understand why some people think adding legislation to that will solve the problem of people who do not clean things properly. This subject is a big deal is because many people clean their grill by brushing and brushing only, steel wire is not something you expect in your food. Regarding the article itself, on one hand I expect medical professionals (who also work in an environment where being able to clean things is important) have a more nuanced opinion than "just don't use wire brushes" On the other hand, the kind of cleaning that goes on in a medical environment is different and all the stereotype of surgeons expecting the world to revolve around them. Edit: meant to reply to parent.
- navinsylvester 9y ago

numbsafari 9y ago

Yeah, well, good thing we have OpenBazaar so that people like you won't be able to keep me from exercising my freedom to use a real manly brush to do a real manly job. I'm sure that really offends you, but I'm no snowflake. I can make my own bristle material decisions for my self and on behalf of everyone I cook for./s

mrhappyunhappy 9y ago
You ruined it with /s
- gpvos 9y ago
  Actually he saved it.
  - deleted 9y ago
    [deleted]
  - deleted 9y ago
    [deleted]
  - firefistace77 9y ago
    I don't know, it's my opinion, but I feel like the /s trend/adaptation has ruined a lot of the jokes for me by being overly explicit and not leaving any ambiguity...where is the fun in that :P
    - gpvos 9y ago
      I think on HN the need for clarity is seen as more important than having fun, because misunderstandings can do more damage than fun can create pleasure. This unfortunately limits the number of meta-levels (or ambiguity) you can use in jokes or sarcasm. But I guess it's worth the tradeoff. And actually with a bit of effort you can often have both.
      - bookofjoe 9y ago
        HN quote of the year IMHO: "I think on HN the need for clarity is seen as more important than having fun..."
        lovemenot 9y ago
        2018 is still only 1/4 through.
    - latexr 9y ago
      I also understood it as a joke before I reached the `/s`, but not everyone might’ve. Case in point, there’s another post on this thread[1] where another joke (as I see it) was made and the first reply is someone taking it seriously. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16708477 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16708477
cgmg 9y ago
> to use a real manly brush to do a real manly job What does manliness have to do with this?
- mirimir 9y ago
  Because men were stereotypically more likely to do risky physical stuff. Especially if it's stupidly funny. But of course, that's less so now in many cultures, as women grow up feeling more freedom to Darwin out. > Unintentional injuries are the #3 leading cause of death among men, but it is #6 for women. This is probably due to the fact that men are much more prone to saying things like, "Hold my beer, and watch this." Also, men tend to work in more dangerous professions where being killed on the job is a possibility. https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/04/20/top-10-causes-death-arent-same-men-and-women-11169 https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/04/20/top-10-causes-death-are...

banned1 9y ago

You must be a lawyer. Dude, can we keep the laws simple? I mean, I wish I could sue manufacturers of jeans (hate seeing someone’s crack when they bend), I hate toothpicks (super useful but sometimes I hurt my gums), I hate carpets (sometimes the static electricity creates a spark that hurts my hand when I attempt to open a metal door), and I hate brooms (they never quite get all the dust gathered). I also would like to sue the makers of Fortnite as I was one of the last two and a glitch froze my gun for two seconds, which allowed my opponent an unfair advantage which created pain and suffering for me.

arrosenberg 9y ago
None of the inconveniences you mentioned will end with you in a surgical OR having them removed from your digestive tract or worse (unless you are in the habit of swallowing toothpicks).
- banned1 9y ago
  I am a snowflake: you should have seen me after I got killed in Fortnite. Could barely breath!
  - sctb 9y ago
    If you won't comment civilly and substantively like the guidelines ask we'll ban the account. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- monkeynotes 9y ago
  Don't feed the trolls :)
  - banned1 9y ago
    Sorry. Yeah, that was “trolly.” Will tone it down now. Apologies.

dsfyu404ed 9y ago

The stainless counters, sinks, appliances, etc. in a typical restaurant kitchen spent plenty of time being wire brushes when they were fabricated and approximately none of the bristles shed during that process ever made it into anyone's food because those surfaces were cleaned of debris before being used. Wire brushes and stainless steel scrub pads are incredibly common in food-service. Steel scrapers are commonly used on aluminum sheet pans all the time. Green srub pads shed fibers. The "dirty" side of a kitchen is chock full of debris you don't want to eat You don't wind up with this debris in food because the things being cleaned are cleaned properly. Scrubbing just breaks off stuff that's caked on. It doesn't remove them except for the few removed by gravity. Dirt, metal and burnt food particles all need to be removed from the thing they're on. This is done by washing and rinsing. The water doesn't know or care whether it's washing away burnt food or wire bristles that were left there while breaking loose the burnt food. If things are being done properly it all goes down the drain. Simply brushing your grill and nothing else is not an adequate cleaning job. You wouldn't just scrape off a pan and then use it without washing and rinsing it. The stuff in a commercial kitchen is (for the most part) designed to be quick and easy to clean properly. Most appliances and surfaces are wash down capable. Anything that's loose can be gotten off of them with a properly directed stream of water. Corners and crevices that are hard to clean are kept to a minimum. Designing things so that an overworked food-service worker can still clean them well enough helps a lot. This isn't a wire brush problem. This is a people too lazy to clean things problem that's aggravated by the fact that the contents of the average consumer kitchen were not designed to quickly and easily cleanable and the average consumer will not be fired if they habitually fail to clean things properly. I do not understand why some people think adding legislation to that will solve the problem of people who do not clean things properly. This subject is a big deal is because many people clean their grill by brushing and brushing only, steel wire is not something you expect in your food. Regarding the article itself, on one hand I expect medical professionals (who also work in an environment where being able to clean things is important) have a more nuanced opinion than "just don't use wire brushes" On the other hand, the kind of cleaning that goes on in a medical environment is different and all the stereotype of surgeons expecting the world to revolve around them. Edit: meant to reply to parent.

navinsylvester 9y ago