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Huh, what does this have to do with the outcome of a war? That would imply that someone can win a war by caring about the planet. Also, caring about climate cha

Huh, what does this have to do with the outcome of a war? That would imply that someone can win a war by caring about the planet. Also, caring about climate change does not necessarily have a strong correlation with views on war. Apart of that, generations have passed since then. The majority of people alive now were born after the war, so shift in mindset is not too surprising.

titzer 9y ago
> ...caring about climate change does not necessarily have a strong correlation with views on war. I think the right side of the American political spectrum pretty much disproves this one.
- nugi 9y ago
  Thats funny, I have never met anyone from any political system, short of nhilism, who doesen't care about climate change. The argument, whivh you seem to be intentionally reframing, is about the cause of said change. Don't make HN political, particularlly with petty, misleading quips like that.
  - titzer 9y ago
    No, I am not reframing. I'm sorry for your limited experience, but I have met far too many conservatives that all but spell it out. I used to be one and traveled in those circles. Look at people's actions. Conservatives in Congress and the WH cut the EPA, they cut Climate Science budgets, and not only do they offer all-out denial, they often just flat out state that a warmer planet would be or could be a good thing. So if that doesn't qualify as "not caring" about climate change, then we aren't seeing the same thing. Obviously, not everyone on the right is a fire-breathing climate denialist, but the OP was about correlation between views on war and views on climate change and IMHO there is strong one.
    - merpnderp 9y ago
      Anecdote doesn't make data, otherwise my personal experience of never having once met a conservative that doesn't care about clean air and water would cancel out your experience. Straw men and ad hominem don't make up for actual data.
      - titzer 9y ago
        I am not certain what model you use for reasoning, but if person A says "I never saw X" and person B says "I saw X on occasions Y, Z, and W", then they don't "cancel each other out," unless someone is lying. Literally the entire rest of my comment was not about what I thought I saw, but what people have actually done. E.g. I mentioned what conservatives in Congress have actually done (e.g. latest https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2018/02/12/trump-budget-seeks-23-percent-cut-at-epa-would-eliminate-dozens-of-programs/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/20...) and suddenly we are arguing about anecdotes and I'm accused of offering strawmen. Uh, no.

titzer 9y ago

> ...caring about climate change does not necessarily have a strong correlation with views on war. I think the right side of the American political spectrum pretty much disproves this one.

nugi 9y ago
Thats funny, I have never met anyone from any political system, short of nhilism, who doesen't care about climate change. The argument, whivh you seem to be intentionally reframing, is about the cause of said change. Don't make HN political, particularlly with petty, misleading quips like that.
- titzer 9y ago
  No, I am not reframing. I'm sorry for your limited experience, but I have met far too many conservatives that all but spell it out. I used to be one and traveled in those circles. Look at people's actions. Conservatives in Congress and the WH cut the EPA, they cut Climate Science budgets, and not only do they offer all-out denial, they often just flat out state that a warmer planet would be or could be a good thing. So if that doesn't qualify as "not caring" about climate change, then we aren't seeing the same thing. Obviously, not everyone on the right is a fire-breathing climate denialist, but the OP was about correlation between views on war and views on climate change and IMHO there is strong one.
  - merpnderp 9y ago
    Anecdote doesn't make data, otherwise my personal experience of never having once met a conservative that doesn't care about clean air and water would cancel out your experience. Straw men and ad hominem don't make up for actual data.
    - titzer 9y ago
      I am not certain what model you use for reasoning, but if person A says "I never saw X" and person B says "I saw X on occasions Y, Z, and W", then they don't "cancel each other out," unless someone is lying. Literally the entire rest of my comment was not about what I thought I saw, but what people have actually done. E.g. I mentioned what conservatives in Congress have actually done (e.g. latest https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2018/02/12/trump-budget-seeks-23-percent-cut-at-epa-would-eliminate-dozens-of-programs/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/20...) and suddenly we are arguing about anecdotes and I'm accused of offering strawmen. Uh, no.