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The potential environmental impact of loads of silver iodide on human and other animal life is of concern. But it is China, so they probably don't care about th

The potential environmental impact of loads of silver iodide on human and other animal life is of concern. But it is China, so they probably don't care about that aspect.

murukesh_s 9y ago
Not only China, but which large country cares about larger environmental impact? Looking at the weapons the big countries are still building (man made floods, tornadoes etc) I don't think it's fair to target China alone.
- bigbluedots 9y ago
  You have a point, but other large countries don't manage to pollute their environment anywhere near as badly, except for possibly India. For example: https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2017/jun/02/china-water-dangerous-pollution-greenpeace&ved=2ahUKEwipz66l_ZDaAhUEvLwKHTbYBOwQFjAaegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw3HH2Lin2cyQvd1Qx9txGjw&ampcf=1 https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http...
- rattray 9y ago
  > which large country cares about larger environmental impact? Germany and Japan come to mind.
  - titzer 9y ago
    Such irony. The losers of WWII now care about the fate of the planet more than the "winners". I say "winners" because no one really wins a war. We all lose.
    - askvictor 9y ago
      I wonder if that's due in part due to them being restricted in how big they could grow their militaries, so spent this money on other things.
    - blauditore 9y ago
      Huh, what does this have to do with the outcome of a war? That would imply that someone can win a war by caring about the planet. Also, caring about climate change does not necessarily have a strong correlation with views on war. Apart of that, generations have passed since then. The majority of people alive now were born after the war, so shift in mindset is not too surprising.
      - titzer 9y ago
        > ...caring about climate change does not necessarily have a strong correlation with views on war. I think the right side of the American political spectrum pretty much disproves this one.
        nugi 9y ago
        Thats funny, I have never met anyone from any political system, short of nhilism, who doesen't care about climate change. The argument, whivh you seem to be intentionally reframing, is about the cause of said change. Don't make HN political, particularlly with petty, misleading quips like that.
        titzer 9y ago
        No, I am not reframing. I'm sorry for your limited experience, but I have met far too many conservatives that all but spell it out. I used to be one and traveled in those circles. Look at people's actions. Conservatives in Congress and the WH cut the EPA, they cut Climate Science budgets, and not only do they offer all-out denial, they often just flat out state that a warmer planet would be or could be a good thing. So if that doesn't qualify as "not caring" about climate change, then we aren't seeing the same thing. Obviously, not everyone on the right is a fire-breathing climate denialist, but the OP was about correlation between views on war and views on climate change and IMHO there is strong one.
        merpnderp 9y ago
        Anecdote doesn't make data, otherwise my personal experience of never having once met a conservative that doesn't care about clean air and water would cancel out your experience. Straw men and ad hominem don't make up for actual data.
  - zingmars 9y ago
    Merkel said a lot of things, and yet they already dropped their climate goals for 2020 and they can't seem to get rid of their coal dependency. Words mean nothing without the action to back them up.
    - sametmax 9y ago
      I spent time in the US, a lot of places in europe, and asia. You can't compare the situation in China/India and the Europe. And you certainly can't compare the US and germany. They have the cleanest, most eco-friendly culture I have seen Europe, or the US. They recycle everything. They have very strict laws on cars. Dropping anything on the floor is regarded as completely uncivil. No matter if they don't succeed perfectly in their energy transition right now, they are trying hard, and seem to will to continue until they do it. Hard problem do not get solve easily. On the other hand, the US backed down on most political commitment to the planet.
      - merpnderp 9y ago
        Germany is closing down clean nuclear power plants and replacing them with dirty coal plants. This isn't a commitment to anything but FUD.
  - lboc 9y ago
    Not sure about Japan tbh.
    - ShorsHammer 9y ago
      > in fiscal year (FY) 2015, 85% of electricity generated in Japan was from fossil fuels https://leadersinenergy.org/lng-japan/ https://leadersinenergy.org/lng-japan/
  - kilotaras 9y ago
    Germany closed down their nuclear plants due to FUD. Now they are using renewables to replace it instead of replacing fossils which does very little for actual greenhouse emissions. [1] [1] https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-consumption-and-power-mix-charts https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-c...
collyw 9y ago
So far we have made a mess of the climate without trying to. Is it really a good idea to start messing with these systems?
- practice9 9y ago
  That's a good question. Messing with weather may cause all sorts of unintentional second-order effects

The potential environmental impact of loads of silver iodide on human and other animal life is of concern. But it is China, so they probably don't care about that aspect.

murukesh_s 9y ago

Not only China, but which large country cares about larger environmental impact? Looking at the weapons the big countries are still building (man made floods, tornadoes etc) I don't think it's fair to target China alone.

bigbluedots 9y ago
You have a point, but other large countries don't manage to pollute their environment anywhere near as badly, except for possibly India. For example: https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2017/jun/02/china-water-dangerous-pollution-greenpeace&ved=2ahUKEwipz66l_ZDaAhUEvLwKHTbYBOwQFjAaegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw3HH2Lin2cyQvd1Qx9txGjw&ampcf=1 https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http...
rattray 9y ago
> which large country cares about larger environmental impact? Germany and Japan come to mind.
- titzer 9y ago
  Such irony. The losers of WWII now care about the fate of the planet more than the "winners". I say "winners" because no one really wins a war. We all lose.
  - askvictor 9y ago
    I wonder if that's due in part due to them being restricted in how big they could grow their militaries, so spent this money on other things.
  - blauditore 9y ago
    Huh, what does this have to do with the outcome of a war? That would imply that someone can win a war by caring about the planet. Also, caring about climate change does not necessarily have a strong correlation with views on war. Apart of that, generations have passed since then. The majority of people alive now were born after the war, so shift in mindset is not too surprising.
    - titzer 9y ago
      > ...caring about climate change does not necessarily have a strong correlation with views on war. I think the right side of the American political spectrum pretty much disproves this one.
      - nugi 9y ago
        Thats funny, I have never met anyone from any political system, short of nhilism, who doesen't care about climate change. The argument, whivh you seem to be intentionally reframing, is about the cause of said change. Don't make HN political, particularlly with petty, misleading quips like that.
        titzer 9y ago
        No, I am not reframing. I'm sorry for your limited experience, but I have met far too many conservatives that all but spell it out. I used to be one and traveled in those circles. Look at people's actions. Conservatives in Congress and the WH cut the EPA, they cut Climate Science budgets, and not only do they offer all-out denial, they often just flat out state that a warmer planet would be or could be a good thing. So if that doesn't qualify as "not caring" about climate change, then we aren't seeing the same thing. Obviously, not everyone on the right is a fire-breathing climate denialist, but the OP was about correlation between views on war and views on climate change and IMHO there is strong one.
        merpnderp 9y ago
        Anecdote doesn't make data, otherwise my personal experience of never having once met a conservative that doesn't care about clean air and water would cancel out your experience. Straw men and ad hominem don't make up for actual data.
- zingmars 9y ago
  Merkel said a lot of things, and yet they already dropped their climate goals for 2020 and they can't seem to get rid of their coal dependency. Words mean nothing without the action to back them up.
  - sametmax 9y ago
    I spent time in the US, a lot of places in europe, and asia. You can't compare the situation in China/India and the Europe. And you certainly can't compare the US and germany. They have the cleanest, most eco-friendly culture I have seen Europe, or the US. They recycle everything. They have very strict laws on cars. Dropping anything on the floor is regarded as completely uncivil. No matter if they don't succeed perfectly in their energy transition right now, they are trying hard, and seem to will to continue until they do it. Hard problem do not get solve easily. On the other hand, the US backed down on most political commitment to the planet.
    - merpnderp 9y ago
      Germany is closing down clean nuclear power plants and replacing them with dirty coal plants. This isn't a commitment to anything but FUD.
- lboc 9y ago
  Not sure about Japan tbh.
  - ShorsHammer 9y ago
    > in fiscal year (FY) 2015, 85% of electricity generated in Japan was from fossil fuels https://leadersinenergy.org/lng-japan/ https://leadersinenergy.org/lng-japan/
- kilotaras 9y ago
  Germany closed down their nuclear plants due to FUD. Now they are using renewables to replace it instead of replacing fossils which does very little for actual greenhouse emissions. [1] [1] https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-consumption-and-power-mix-charts https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-c...

collyw 9y ago

So far we have made a mess of the climate without trying to. Is it really a good idea to start messing with these systems?

practice9 9y ago
That's a good question. Messing with weather may cause all sorts of unintentional second-order effects