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That's not the issue, the issue is the terminology. If you don't want to pay to train someone then don't label it an "entry-level" position. The truth is that m

That's not the issue, the issue is the terminology. If you don't want to pay to train someone then don't label it an "entry-level" position. The truth is that many want "mid-level/senior-level" employees (3+ year experience requirements) at "entry-level" salaries.

PeterisP 9y ago
Look at it from the perspective of a "career in this organization", not "career of this person". It is an entry level job - it's the lowest tier in their ranking, it's the starting place, it's literally the level where new people enter the organization; it's the lowest paid and least respected position they have, filled with the least experienced and least tenured people in the whole company. It's just that they (want to) start with people who have worked (somewhere else) for a few years already; but that does not and can not make it a mid-tier job, that would require them to have other, even lower jobs. Furthermore, saying that 3 years might be a senior level position is stretching definitions - assuming an average lifetime career of 30 years, someone with 3 years experience has less "seniority" than 90% of the workforce.
- RbrtM 9y ago
  These days your tech career ends at 35, so an average lifetime career lasts 10-12 years.
  - paulie_a 9y ago
    That is laughable. While age doesn't really matter, true senior talent doesn't even begin until someone has worked for at least a decade, which puts most people in their early to mid 30s
    - AstralStorm 9y ago
      Depends on when one has started but yes, the expected age in my experience is around 7 years. Shorter if this is on different teams and technologies. This means a college grad will be in 30s. Someone who worked off jobs while in college might get there faster a bit. A passionate experimenter who does a lot of open source dev would be there before you blink but will be hard pressed to prove it. Pity companies do not wish to hire people in high school with actual will to do the thing and learn. Vocational education so to speak. They probably (and rightly) expect a pause for college or other higher education.
  - 80386 9y ago
    What do tech people do after they hit 35?
  - zimpenfish 9y ago
    Well, I'm considerably past 35 and still being hired as a tech developer. Mostly at high $$ to come and fix the problems that young 'uns have created in their wide-eyed naive blithering and fawning over fancy new doodads.
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PeterisP 9y ago

Look at it from the perspective of a "career in this organization", not "career of this person". It is an entry level job - it's the lowest tier in their ranking, it's the starting place, it's literally the level where new people enter the organization; it's the lowest paid and least respected position they have, filled with the least experienced and least tenured people in the whole company. It's just that they (want to) start with people who have worked (somewhere else) for a few years already; but that does not and can not make it a mid-tier job, that would require them to have other, even lower jobs. Furthermore, saying that 3 years might be a senior level position is stretching definitions - assuming an average lifetime career of 30 years, someone with 3 years experience has less "seniority" than 90% of the workforce.

RbrtM 9y ago
These days your tech career ends at 35, so an average lifetime career lasts 10-12 years.
- paulie_a 9y ago
  That is laughable. While age doesn't really matter, true senior talent doesn't even begin until someone has worked for at least a decade, which puts most people in their early to mid 30s
  - AstralStorm 9y ago
    Depends on when one has started but yes, the expected age in my experience is around 7 years. Shorter if this is on different teams and technologies. This means a college grad will be in 30s. Someone who worked off jobs while in college might get there faster a bit. A passionate experimenter who does a lot of open source dev would be there before you blink but will be hard pressed to prove it. Pity companies do not wish to hire people in high school with actual will to do the thing and learn. Vocational education so to speak. They probably (and rightly) expect a pause for college or other higher education.
- 80386 9y ago
  What do tech people do after they hit 35?
- zimpenfish 9y ago
  Well, I'm considerably past 35 and still being hired as a tech developer. Mostly at high $$ to come and fix the problems that young 'uns have created in their wide-eyed naive blithering and fawning over fancy new doodads.

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