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It is Google's site and Google's (very much) proprietary algorithm so of course Google is at fault. Your argument is a variant of the "uploader defense." It was

It is Google's site and Google's (very much) proprietary algorithm so of course Google is at fault. Your argument is a variant of the "uploader defense." It was used by the TPB operators to claim that they weren't responsible for what was featured on their site because it was uploaded by users. But legally (or morally) they realized that they were, because they removed child porn even though they let Hollywood movies remain.

oneplane 9y ago
It's not as much about who is responsible as it is about what the results reflect: apparently this is what we put in, and thus what we get out of it, including results tailored to our bubble. This isn't fixed by telling Google it's their fault and they should hide things, that's just looking away and covering things up. The true fix is making the input better, which requires society being better, which it isn't (at this point).
emilfihlman 9y ago
Wtf, you are not seriously claiming that TBP is at fault? You are just trolling, right? Because they are not. And neither is Google.
- digibo 9y ago
  Comparing is not judging or blaming. The GP suggests that both TPB and Google are in a gray area, which I partially agree with, but I think they are in different gray areas. TPB, as described, is in a moral gray area - "We know some of the uploaded stuff is immoral" - so they delete what's immoral (their judgement - child porn/copyright stuff/anything between), they arbitrarily decide what you see Google is in an algorithmic gray area - "The algorithm decides what's best for you, we want the best for you, but we won't judge what's best for you" - so they do nothing and hope for the best (and least damage), the algorithm arbitrarily decides what you see Both seem like different routes to the same hell. Edit: Spelling, clearer wording
  - komali2 9y ago
    It's not just the moral issue, but a legal one. TPB said "We are not responsible for the content people upload." Except then they deleted CP, probably for many good as well as self-serving reasons: CP is bad, obviously, but also brings bad press (hard to get the public on the side of piracy when it leads to ease of CP access), as well as the holy wrath of pretty much every criminal federal agency in countries around the world, as opposed to just whatever branch of whatever agency is in charge of copyright protection. Doubt they could get hosting in any country if they didn't take the CP down. But by taking CP down, they demonstrated that they do and can monitor content, that they can take it down, that they do take responsibility for at least some of it. Legally that's a shot in the foot, I thought, but they still find hosting so who knows.
    - bjourne 9y ago
      Thank you for explaining. That's what I meant by the uploader defense. I'm fairly sure Google removes CP from their search results so obviously they can exercise some control over their content. So they can't blame it all on the algorithm.

oneplane 9y ago

It's not as much about who is responsible as it is about what the results reflect: apparently this is what we put in, and thus what we get out of it, including results tailored to our bubble. This isn't fixed by telling Google it's their fault and they should hide things, that's just looking away and covering things up. The true fix is making the input better, which requires society being better, which it isn't (at this point).

emilfihlman 9y ago

Wtf, you are not seriously claiming that TBP is at fault? You are just trolling, right? Because they are not. And neither is Google.

digibo 9y ago
Comparing is not judging or blaming. The GP suggests that both TPB and Google are in a gray area, which I partially agree with, but I think they are in different gray areas. TPB, as described, is in a moral gray area - "We know some of the uploaded stuff is immoral" - so they delete what's immoral (their judgement - child porn/copyright stuff/anything between), they arbitrarily decide what you see Google is in an algorithmic gray area - "The algorithm decides what's best for you, we want the best for you, but we won't judge what's best for you" - so they do nothing and hope for the best (and least damage), the algorithm arbitrarily decides what you see Both seem like different routes to the same hell. Edit: Spelling, clearer wording
- komali2 9y ago
  It's not just the moral issue, but a legal one. TPB said "We are not responsible for the content people upload." Except then they deleted CP, probably for many good as well as self-serving reasons: CP is bad, obviously, but also brings bad press (hard to get the public on the side of piracy when it leads to ease of CP access), as well as the holy wrath of pretty much every criminal federal agency in countries around the world, as opposed to just whatever branch of whatever agency is in charge of copyright protection. Doubt they could get hosting in any country if they didn't take the CP down. But by taking CP down, they demonstrated that they do and can monitor content, that they can take it down, that they do take responsibility for at least some of it. Legally that's a shot in the foot, I thought, but they still find hosting so who knows.
  - bjourne 9y ago
    Thank you for explaining. That's what I meant by the uploader defense. I'm fairly sure Google removes CP from their search results so obviously they can exercise some control over their content. So they can't blame it all on the algorithm.