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> Ever heard of the Streisand Effect Of course. I am not religious about it, just pointing out even when someone partially doxes you, HN won't remove the comm

> Ever heard of the Streisand Effect Of course. I am not religious about it, just pointing out even when someone partially doxes you, HN won't remove the comment.

DoreenMichele 9y ago
An acquaintance of mine with some personal issues derped and posted a link to info about themselves when they are normally pretty careful about such things. They requested that the mods delete it and it was deleted. I have talked to the mods at times about privacy concerns for myself. I'm a woman and I get weirdly personal interest and invasive questions at times. They have been consistently responsive and supportive. Though I have not as yet ask them to delete anything. I am typically looking for a more nuanced approach to the problem space. So my experience differs from yours and I know of cases where they have been highly responsive in deleting info, even when it was the poster themselves who doxxed themselves. I don't intend to argue this further. I'm sorry you're unhappy with the call they made, but your experience does not warrent the sweeping statements you are making about HN policy. It is simply not an accurate picture of HN policy and moderating practices.
- the-dude 9y ago
  I just posted some anecdata. I wonder why you get so worked up about it.
  - DoreenMichele 9y ago
    I'm not worked up. You posted anecdata and then followed it with a sweeping conclusion rather than stating "in this specific case, they would not delete it." I rebutted that with my own anecdata and assertions that your sweeping statements are not accurate. Like so many people here, I'm pretty pedantic. This is a problem space that interests me. Also, I frown on character assassination justified by "It's just anecdata, man! Don't get so worked up." I'm weird like that.
    - the-dude 9y ago
      My original comment: "I have been partially doxed here and HN refuses to remove the comment." Then you start questioning my motives, throwing your anecdata and accusing me of character assassination. My original comment just stated a fact. I was polite to the moderators. I did not 'beg' for the dox, the other commenter was a raving lunatic.
      - DoreenMichele 9y ago
        One of your follow up comments is just pointing out even when someone partially doxes you, HN won't remove the comment. You are wanting to have it both ways, to suggest this is policy while claiming you are doing no such thing. I have provided my anecdata that supports the idea that, no, this is not true in all cases. If you weren't trying to smear them, you could have replied to my rebuttal with something like "I stand corrected. It isn't HN policy, though I am still unhappy with their decision." instead of accusing me of being worked up, which veers into personal attack territory and amounts to a cheap shot intended to undermine my points without actually addressing them. But I said I didn't plan to argue this further, and would not have had I not felt your cheap shot was seriously out of line. So I intend to stop here. Edit: And the primary reason I don't intend to argue it further is because this is a personal issue for you. I am trying to be respectful of that fact. But I don't think that fact justifies smearing both me and HN moderating policy.
        the-dude 9y ago
        > One of your follow up comments is just pointing out even when someone partially doxes you, HN won't remove the comment. Which is after you accused me of ulterior motives and you are merely getting worked up about phrasing. Of course I will extrapolate my anecdata just as you do. > If you weren't trying to smear them, I have not smeared anyone and take offense at this accusation. The thread has been buried, this has turned into a one-on-one. Take care.
dang 9y ago
The comment was already removed in the sense of being flagkilled. We don't delete comments outright except when the author requests it. We do sometimes redact comments (and mark them redacted) when they contain personally identifying information. We didn't do that this time because the info (a company name) wasn't obviously personal, and I was worried that censoring it might provoke someone into posting more. It's a tricky line to walk. If we censor a comment to please one user, other users can easily take offense and turn a little fuss into a big fuss. My sense was that leaving the comment flagkilled was the least risky thing to do: it was removed from the public internet, inaccessible to search engines, and so on. I explained all this to you and asked you to tell us if you still had concerns. Now that a few months have gone by it's hopefully not so big a risk, and since you obviously do still have concerns, I'll redact the company name from that comment.

> Ever heard of the Streisand Effect Of course. I am not religious about it, just pointing out even when someone partially doxes you, HN won't remove the comment.

DoreenMichele 9y ago

An acquaintance of mine with some personal issues derped and posted a link to info about themselves when they are normally pretty careful about such things. They requested that the mods delete it and it was deleted. I have talked to the mods at times about privacy concerns for myself. I'm a woman and I get weirdly personal interest and invasive questions at times. They have been consistently responsive and supportive. Though I have not as yet ask them to delete anything. I am typically looking for a more nuanced approach to the problem space. So my experience differs from yours and I know of cases where they have been highly responsive in deleting info, even when it was the poster themselves who doxxed themselves. I don't intend to argue this further. I'm sorry you're unhappy with the call they made, but your experience does not warrent the sweeping statements you are making about HN policy. It is simply not an accurate picture of HN policy and moderating practices.

the-dude 9y ago
I just posted some anecdata. I wonder why you get so worked up about it.
- DoreenMichele 9y ago
  I'm not worked up. You posted anecdata and then followed it with a sweeping conclusion rather than stating "in this specific case, they would not delete it." I rebutted that with my own anecdata and assertions that your sweeping statements are not accurate. Like so many people here, I'm pretty pedantic. This is a problem space that interests me. Also, I frown on character assassination justified by "It's just anecdata, man! Don't get so worked up." I'm weird like that.
  - the-dude 9y ago
    My original comment: "I have been partially doxed here and HN refuses to remove the comment." Then you start questioning my motives, throwing your anecdata and accusing me of character assassination. My original comment just stated a fact. I was polite to the moderators. I did not 'beg' for the dox, the other commenter was a raving lunatic.
    - DoreenMichele 9y ago
      One of your follow up comments is just pointing out even when someone partially doxes you, HN won't remove the comment. You are wanting to have it both ways, to suggest this is policy while claiming you are doing no such thing. I have provided my anecdata that supports the idea that, no, this is not true in all cases. If you weren't trying to smear them, you could have replied to my rebuttal with something like "I stand corrected. It isn't HN policy, though I am still unhappy with their decision." instead of accusing me of being worked up, which veers into personal attack territory and amounts to a cheap shot intended to undermine my points without actually addressing them. But I said I didn't plan to argue this further, and would not have had I not felt your cheap shot was seriously out of line. So I intend to stop here. Edit: And the primary reason I don't intend to argue it further is because this is a personal issue for you. I am trying to be respectful of that fact. But I don't think that fact justifies smearing both me and HN moderating policy.
      - the-dude 9y ago
        > One of your follow up comments is just pointing out even when someone partially doxes you, HN won't remove the comment. Which is after you accused me of ulterior motives and you are merely getting worked up about phrasing. Of course I will extrapolate my anecdata just as you do. > If you weren't trying to smear them, I have not smeared anyone and take offense at this accusation. The thread has been buried, this has turned into a one-on-one. Take care.

dang 9y ago

The comment was already removed in the sense of being flagkilled. We don't delete comments outright except when the author requests it. We do sometimes redact comments (and mark them redacted) when they contain personally identifying information. We didn't do that this time because the info (a company name) wasn't obviously personal, and I was worried that censoring it might provoke someone into posting more. It's a tricky line to walk. If we censor a comment to please one user, other users can easily take offense and turn a little fuss into a big fuss. My sense was that leaving the comment flagkilled was the least risky thing to do: it was removed from the public internet, inaccessible to search engines, and so on. I explained all this to you and asked you to tell us if you still had concerns. Now that a few months have gone by it's hopefully not so big a risk, and since you obviously do still have concerns, I'll redact the company name from that comment.