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I would disagree because of how closely Apple tracks it's users. Yes, they don't sell the data but they use it for internal marketing. EDIT: From Apple's own

I would disagree because of how closely Apple tracks it's users. Yes, they don't sell the data but they use it for internal marketing. EDIT: From Apple's own website: The personal information we collect allows us to keep you posted on Apple’s latest product announcements, software updates, and upcoming events. If you don’t want to be on our mailing list, you can opt out anytime by updating your preferences. https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/ https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/

totalZero 9y ago
What exactly do you disagree with? It's pretty clear that Apple's customers are not its product. They make most of their profit by selling phones.
millstone 9y ago
Apple does not closely track its users.
- randomerr 9y ago
  Have read the ULA? The Apple Privacy Policy was updated on January 19, 2018. https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/ https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/ What personal information we collect * When you create an Apple ID, apply for commercial credit, purchase a product, download a software update, register for a class at an Apple Retail Store, contact us or participate in an online survey, we may collect a variety of information, including your name, mailing address, phone number, email address, contact preferences, and credit card information. * When you share your content with family and friends using Apple products, send gift certificates and products, or invite others to participate in Apple services or forums, Apple may collect the information you provide about those people such as name, mailing address, email address, and phone number. Apple will use such information to fulfill your requests, provide the relevant product or service, or for anti-fraud purposes. * In certain jurisdictions, we may ask for a government issued ID in limited circumstances including when setting up a wireless account and activating your device, for the purpose of extending commercial credit, managing reservations, or as required by law. BTW: How your iPhone is tracking your every move https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/advice/11056373/How-your-iPhone-is-tracking-your-every-move.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/advice/11056373/How-y...
  - jimsmart 9y ago
    But that is not "closely tracking its users", that's capturing the necessary information for those transactions. It's certainly not Apple making its customers into products. Both Google and Facebook are classed as advertising companies, for a reason. Have you read Google's Privacy Policy? https://www.google.com/policies/privacy/ https://www.google.com/policies/privacy/ Wow. All the same stuff as Apple plus Device IDs, actual physical location, WiFi identifiers, pixel tags, and more — All because: tailored advertising. That's what a company-whose-users-are-its-product looks like, by comparison. BTW: I looked at your scare link: my iPhone had no data there, because it has never had Frequent Locations enabled. Nor has it had Location-Based iAds enabled. YMMV of course.

totalZero 9y ago

What exactly do you disagree with? It's pretty clear that Apple's customers are not its product. They make most of their profit by selling phones.

millstone 9y ago

Apple does not closely track its users.

randomerr 9y ago
Have read the ULA? The Apple Privacy Policy was updated on January 19, 2018. https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/ https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/ What personal information we collect * When you create an Apple ID, apply for commercial credit, purchase a product, download a software update, register for a class at an Apple Retail Store, contact us or participate in an online survey, we may collect a variety of information, including your name, mailing address, phone number, email address, contact preferences, and credit card information. * When you share your content with family and friends using Apple products, send gift certificates and products, or invite others to participate in Apple services or forums, Apple may collect the information you provide about those people such as name, mailing address, email address, and phone number. Apple will use such information to fulfill your requests, provide the relevant product or service, or for anti-fraud purposes. * In certain jurisdictions, we may ask for a government issued ID in limited circumstances including when setting up a wireless account and activating your device, for the purpose of extending commercial credit, managing reservations, or as required by law. BTW: How your iPhone is tracking your every move https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/advice/11056373/How-your-iPhone-is-tracking-your-every-move.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/advice/11056373/How-y...
- jimsmart 9y ago
  But that is not "closely tracking its users", that's capturing the necessary information for those transactions. It's certainly not Apple making its customers into products. Both Google and Facebook are classed as advertising companies, for a reason. Have you read Google's Privacy Policy? https://www.google.com/policies/privacy/ https://www.google.com/policies/privacy/ Wow. All the same stuff as Apple plus Device IDs, actual physical location, WiFi identifiers, pixel tags, and more — All because: tailored advertising. That's what a company-whose-users-are-its-product looks like, by comparison. BTW: I looked at your scare link: my iPhone had no data there, because it has never had Frequent Locations enabled. Nor has it had Location-Based iAds enabled. YMMV of course.