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You're saying that when I was a kid, some 30 or 40 years ago, public sector employees were paid better than private sector employees?

by Frondo 9y ago

tptacek 9y ago
I don't know about that, but check out the salaries at my kid's high school: http://www.oprfhs.org/human-resources/documents/Over75KReport_September2017.pdf http://www.oprfhs.org/human-resources/documents/Over75KRepor... At 50 names a page, you're on the bottom of the third page before you see the first person who isn't taking home six figures in base pay plus cash extra pay, before factoring in benefits. These teachers are all part of the TRS pension plan and get lifetime pension at retirement. That's the jewel of the benefits package, but the rest of their benefits are pretty fucking excellent, too: cheap health insurance, huge numbers of vacation days. Say what you will about the importance of teaching (and the fact that these comp numbers are perceived to flow right back into property values), these are not standard deals in the private market. They are, from the day you start your job to the day you retire, superior to the deal most private sector workers get.
- rhino369 9y ago
  They also get tenure (even in grade school). That sort of job security is worth a lot. And they get 2 months of summer off. Those aren't salary, but they are benefits that should be considered.
- rdtsc 9y ago
  > Say what you will about the importance of teaching Just curious, how does the teaching compare with other schools in other states. I've been saying for a while that teachers should have high salaries like that because for one it matches the rhetoric of "think of the children" / "children first", and that teaching should be a prestigious job in line with engineer, finance, doctor or lawyer. So here is a case were salaries seem to be in the ballpark of being "prestigious" would you say the quality of teaching and the environment in school is correspondingly better?
  - tptacek 9y ago
    It's a good school, but it's inferior to the Jesuit college prep high school I went to (except for the facilities, which are far better) where the teachers made much less.

You're saying that when I was a kid, some 30 or 40 years ago, public sector employees were paid better than private sector employees?

by Frondo 9y ago

You're saying that when I was a kid, some 30 or 40 years ago, public sector employees were paid better than private sector employees?

tptacek 9y ago

I don't know about that, but check out the salaries at my kid's high school: http://www.oprfhs.org/human-resources/documents/Over75KReport_September2017.pdf http://www.oprfhs.org/human-resources/documents/Over75KRepor... At 50 names a page, you're on the bottom of the third page before you see the first person who isn't taking home six figures in base pay plus cash extra pay, before factoring in benefits. These teachers are all part of the TRS pension plan and get lifetime pension at retirement. That's the jewel of the benefits package, but the rest of their benefits are pretty fucking excellent, too: cheap health insurance, huge numbers of vacation days. Say what you will about the importance of teaching (and the fact that these comp numbers are perceived to flow right back into property values), these are not standard deals in the private market. They are, from the day you start your job to the day you retire, superior to the deal most private sector workers get.

rhino369 9y ago
They also get tenure (even in grade school). That sort of job security is worth a lot. And they get 2 months of summer off. Those aren't salary, but they are benefits that should be considered.
rdtsc 9y ago
> Say what you will about the importance of teaching Just curious, how does the teaching compare with other schools in other states. I've been saying for a while that teachers should have high salaries like that because for one it matches the rhetoric of "think of the children" / "children first", and that teaching should be a prestigious job in line with engineer, finance, doctor or lawyer. So here is a case were salaries seem to be in the ballpark of being "prestigious" would you say the quality of teaching and the environment in school is correspondingly better?
- tptacek 9y ago
  It's a good school, but it's inferior to the Jesuit college prep high school I went to (except for the facilities, which are far better) where the teachers made much less.