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All the more disappointing to see both Google and Microsoft embrace HEIF for images in their next operating system versions. They really couldn't wait another c

by mtgx 9y ago

All the more disappointing to see both Google and Microsoft embrace HEIF for images in their next operating system versions. They really couldn't wait another couple of years to develop an open AV1-based image format? Come on. Who cares about what Apple does or doesn't do? Apple certainly doesn't seem to care what Google and Microsoft do, which is why it continues to ignore open standards like Vulkan and now went ahead and adopted another one of MPEG-LA's proprietary and patent-encumbered formats. Because they couldn't wait, now we may be stuck with another proprietary standard for the web for another 20 years. Not to mention there could still be others besides MPEG-LA to claim patents on HEIF and accuse developers of infringement, just like it happened with HEVC. This mess could have been avoided with a little bit of patience.

clouddrover 9y ago
> All the more disappointing to see both Google and Microsoft embrace HEIF for images HEIF itself is a container format. It currently supports JPEG, H.264, and H.265 bitstreams: https://github.com/nokiatech/heif https://github.com/nokiatech/heif Nothing precludes AV1 from being contained in a HEIF file.
- robert_foss 9y ago
  Nothing practical is precluding AV1 from being included, however: > HEIF is a visual media container format standardized by the Moving Picture Experts Group (MPEG) So corporate politics will surely prevent it from happening. That being said I did file a bug report: https://github.com/nokiatech/heif/issues/46 https://github.com/nokiatech/heif/issues/46
  - clouddrover 9y ago
    Netflix is ahead of you: https://aomediacodec.github.io/av1-avif/ https://aomediacodec.github.io/av1-avif/
    - TUSF 9y ago
      Honestly, couldn't they just adapt WEBP for it? It's basically just an RIFF container with a VP8 key frame. Then again, it's WebP, and there's no need to bloat that thing anymore. Edit: Nevermind, I see. Going by the document, it's meant to be an exact mirror to HEIF, but for AV1. Some interesting features too.
- wmf 9y ago
  Translation: You still have to pay for the H.264/5 patents to read HEIF files.
  - clouddrover 9y ago
    No, the container format is independent of any video format patents. Nokia licenses their HEIF implementation under royalty-free terms: https://github.com/nokiatech/heif/blob/master/LICENSE.TXT https://github.com/nokiatech/heif/blob/master/LICENSE.TXT
    - wmf 9y ago
      My point is that if you claim to read HEIF files you need to read all possible HEIF files, including ones that contain H.264/5 data. Don't claim to support a standard if you don't support the most commonly-used part of it.
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by mtgx 9y ago

clouddrover 9y ago

> All the more disappointing to see both Google and Microsoft embrace HEIF for images HEIF itself is a container format. It currently supports JPEG, H.264, and H.265 bitstreams: https://github.com/nokiatech/heif https://github.com/nokiatech/heif Nothing precludes AV1 from being contained in a HEIF file.

robert_foss 9y ago
Nothing practical is precluding AV1 from being included, however: > HEIF is a visual media container format standardized by the Moving Picture Experts Group (MPEG) So corporate politics will surely prevent it from happening. That being said I did file a bug report: https://github.com/nokiatech/heif/issues/46 https://github.com/nokiatech/heif/issues/46
- clouddrover 9y ago
  Netflix is ahead of you: https://aomediacodec.github.io/av1-avif/ https://aomediacodec.github.io/av1-avif/
  - TUSF 9y ago
    Honestly, couldn't they just adapt WEBP for it? It's basically just an RIFF container with a VP8 key frame. Then again, it's WebP, and there's no need to bloat that thing anymore. Edit: Nevermind, I see. Going by the document, it's meant to be an exact mirror to HEIF, but for AV1. Some interesting features too.
wmf 9y ago
Translation: You still have to pay for the H.264/5 patents to read HEIF files.
- clouddrover 9y ago
  No, the container format is independent of any video format patents. Nokia licenses their HEIF implementation under royalty-free terms: https://github.com/nokiatech/heif/blob/master/LICENSE.TXT https://github.com/nokiatech/heif/blob/master/LICENSE.TXT
  - wmf 9y ago
    My point is that if you claim to read HEIF files you need to read all possible HEIF files, including ones that contain H.264/5 data. Don't claim to support a standard if you don't support the most commonly-used part of it.

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