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From Heinlein. Whenever the locals rub blue mud in their navels, I rub blue mud in mine just as solemnly. --Lazurus Long, Time Enough For Love I have

From Heinlein. Whenever the locals rub blue mud in their navels, I rub blue mud in mine just as solemnly. --Lazurus Long, Time Enough For Love I have begun to teach my children this, which conforms slightly to what you are advocating. However, my children will know they are blending into a dangerous mob, while you seem to advocate joining and promoting that mob as "a good progressive". If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever. While you and I may both agree that this is likely our future, you seem to be cheerleading it, or at least, trying to get in good with those in power (a good communist), while I am still struggling against it. Again, if you look at history, it's not only those who fight the evil who end up marched into the fields one last time. It's often also those who tried as you, to "not be ostracized", but still ended up suffering the same fate as those who resisted. That you almost threaten my safety if I am perceived as being on the "alt-right" end of the spectrum, should fill you with terror. You should remember that many of the people who started the French Revolution ended up being marched up to "the national razor" themselves when their faction split into sub-factions and they found themselves on the outside. Also, FYI, alt-right is composed of many Ron Paul type people, who HN used to like. That such people should fear from the mob is not a sign of a healthy society.

unsayable 9y ago
I'm not saying it's healthy, I'm just saying it's how it is. I also didn't mean to threaten your safety, but I think it's reasonable to caution anyone against being associated with "alt-right" stuff, because it is a safety concern. For example, if you're teaching your kids that sitting in class instead of walking out over gun control is the right thing to do, you might think that makes sense. Why protest for something that you don't believe in? But you're probably hurting their chances at being socially accepted, and there's a good chance the other kids will think your kid is likely to be the next school shooter simply by their lack of protesting. Sitting out is now more dramatic than joining the protesting already in progress. If you teach them that questioning the sentiment of the day is healthy, they're going to end up being identified as sexist, or racist, or a likely shooter, or whatever acceptable slur would describe the most perverse interpretation of their belief. I'm pretty sure Damore's intentions were good, but do you think his questioning of diversity initiatives was helpful to his career or his social life? The way these movements are shaping up, you can't be neutral. If you're not part of the perceived solution, you're part of the perceived problem, and you're going to be treated as a problem. But if you fall in line with the mob, you'll have more opportunities for advancement, networking, and community support. edit: Btw, I upvoted all of your comments. But you'll notice my suggestions for censorship are being upvoted while your cautionary tale about freedom is not... HN is illustrating my point for me.
- robotrout 9y ago
  Understood that you were not personally threatening my family's safety, but were cautioning against the mob. Here's hoping that the pendulum swings towards sanity soon. Despite the walkouts in the news recently, there seems to be evidence that the youngest of us are beginning to reject the scary SJW mob mentality. Happily, the filter bubbles on the internet, or in silicon valley, are not representative of the entire country, so there are areas the mob does not yet rule. http://brilliantmaps.com/2016-county-election-map/ http://brilliantmaps.com/2016-county-election-map/

unsayable 9y ago

I'm not saying it's healthy, I'm just saying it's how it is. I also didn't mean to threaten your safety, but I think it's reasonable to caution anyone against being associated with "alt-right" stuff, because it is a safety concern. For example, if you're teaching your kids that sitting in class instead of walking out over gun control is the right thing to do, you might think that makes sense. Why protest for something that you don't believe in? But you're probably hurting their chances at being socially accepted, and there's a good chance the other kids will think your kid is likely to be the next school shooter simply by their lack of protesting. Sitting out is now more dramatic than joining the protesting already in progress. If you teach them that questioning the sentiment of the day is healthy, they're going to end up being identified as sexist, or racist, or a likely shooter, or whatever acceptable slur would describe the most perverse interpretation of their belief. I'm pretty sure Damore's intentions were good, but do you think his questioning of diversity initiatives was helpful to his career or his social life? The way these movements are shaping up, you can't be neutral. If you're not part of the perceived solution, you're part of the perceived problem, and you're going to be treated as a problem. But if you fall in line with the mob, you'll have more opportunities for advancement, networking, and community support. edit: Btw, I upvoted all of your comments. But you'll notice my suggestions for censorship are being upvoted while your cautionary tale about freedom is not... HN is illustrating my point for me.

robotrout 9y ago
Understood that you were not personally threatening my family's safety, but were cautioning against the mob. Here's hoping that the pendulum swings towards sanity soon. Despite the walkouts in the news recently, there seems to be evidence that the youngest of us are beginning to reject the scary SJW mob mentality. Happily, the filter bubbles on the internet, or in silicon valley, are not representative of the entire country, so there are areas the mob does not yet rule. http://brilliantmaps.com/2016-county-election-map/ http://brilliantmaps.com/2016-county-election-map/