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> So, as a user I have to identify bottlenecks, now..? That would be my first question. Please do pay attention. The release notes specifically describe who di

> So, as a user I have to identify bottlenecks, now..? That would be my first question. Please do pay attention. The release notes specifically describe who did that and for what purpose, and what's in it for end-users. It's all there for you to read. Just please pay attention. > and I never thought speed was a problem of GIMP Which suggests that you never used such a basic feature as Gaussian blur in both Photoshop and GIMP. GIMP _is_ slower than it should be. It actually _is_ a problem for people with modern DSLRs. We want to fix that problem.

zzzcpan 9y ago
Exactly. As someone who did use Photoshop professionally for years, I got used to Gimp's quirks in like a few days, but hit the performance wall right after that. Pretty much nothing I did in Photoshop is possible in Gimp due to performance issues.
nkkollaw 9y ago
Are _you_ paying attention (your tone is absolutely horrible, by the way)? I'm saying that I doubt the project's priorities are in line with those of its users. Are you sure that performance is a problem for most users? I have talked to people about GIMP before, and it came out 0 times, while usability was the problem that forced most people to install Photoshop or go back to Windows. In the past 3 days, I've opened pretty big illustrations (about 20,000px* 8000px) on a i35 thinker (mobile phone processor), and I had absolutely no problem opening them, scrolling around, etc. Doing basic operations like moving, cropping, and resizing layers was so cumbersome that after 3 days I gave up and installed Photoshop 7.
- prokoudine 9y ago
  > Are _you_ paying attention (your tone is absolutely horrible, by the way)? I'm saying that I doubt the project's priorities are in line with those of its users. You don't like my tone, and I don't like your inability to process basic information written in clear English in the first two paragraphs of an article that you are discussing, followed by making ridiculous offensive statements. Are we even? > Are you sure that performance is a problem for most users? The majority of people who work on large images and use filters do have issue with performance of GIMP. Helping them is a priority to us. > Doing basic operations like moving, cropping, and resizing layers was so cumbersome that after 3 days I gave up and installed Photoshop 7. I'm still waiting for those "4 times fewer steps" in Pinta.
  - nkkollaw 9y ago
    Whatever, man. If you're part of the project, your attitude is exactly what I'm talking about, so thanks for reinforcing my convictions. If you're not, since I'm unable to process basic information I wouldn't want to waste your time. Let's call it a day.
    - prokoudine 9y ago
      Yes, as project's contributor I find your claims blatantly inaccurate and offensive. That said, my way of handling them is most likely far from being humble.
      - nkkollaw 9y ago
        > Yes, as project's contributor I find your claims blatantly inaccurate and offensive That's funny. They can't be inaccurate, because I'm talking about my personal experience using the software. As for offending, I never even talked about anyone--just the project, and you are the one who's offended me personally by saying that I should get a grip of myself, I don't understand basic concepts in English, etc. etc.--which let me tell you doesn't look that good for GIMP as a project. This is how many open source projects handle criticism. I've seen this before, and I'm not surprised. Like I said, thanks for reinforcing the conviction I have that many projects stay in their silos and don't listen to users--to say it nicely--because they don't owe them anything (which of course it's true, but still). Regular users have no idea how to or have the willingness to get in touch with you, they'll just uninstall and move on. When someone in the middle like me does offer criticism, he doesn't understand basic concepts explained clearly to him--like you said--so obviously there's no solution. > That said, my way of handling them is most likely far from being humble. I guess we agree on this one (yay!)
        prokoudine 9y ago
        > This is how many open source projects handle criticism. No, this is how some projects handle bullshit. Criticism is fine and even useful. Lemme explain the difference, because you are still not taking a grip on yourself. When you think developers introduced a regression and refuse to fix it, and you can use arguments other than 'because I said so' to prove your point — this is criticism. When you completely disregard all explanations why a certain feature was added, when you completely dismiss people pointing out that no, in fact other software has the same feature, and people do use it, then continue arguing ad nauseam — this is bullshit. Got it? Good. Now, you can be constructive and pay attention, and then we can have a conversation, or you can continue dismissing facts and go on living in an echo chamber. Your choice.

zzzcpan 9y ago

Exactly. As someone who did use Photoshop professionally for years, I got used to Gimp's quirks in like a few days, but hit the performance wall right after that. Pretty much nothing I did in Photoshop is possible in Gimp due to performance issues.

nkkollaw 9y ago

Are _you_ paying attention (your tone is absolutely horrible, by the way)? I'm saying that I doubt the project's priorities are in line with those of its users. Are you sure that performance is a problem for most users? I have talked to people about GIMP before, and it came out 0 times, while usability was the problem that forced most people to install Photoshop or go back to Windows. In the past 3 days, I've opened pretty big illustrations (about 20,000px* 8000px) on a i35 thinker (mobile phone processor), and I had absolutely no problem opening them, scrolling around, etc. Doing basic operations like moving, cropping, and resizing layers was so cumbersome that after 3 days I gave up and installed Photoshop 7.

prokoudine 9y ago
> Are _you_ paying attention (your tone is absolutely horrible, by the way)? I'm saying that I doubt the project's priorities are in line with those of its users. You don't like my tone, and I don't like your inability to process basic information written in clear English in the first two paragraphs of an article that you are discussing, followed by making ridiculous offensive statements. Are we even? > Are you sure that performance is a problem for most users? The majority of people who work on large images and use filters do have issue with performance of GIMP. Helping them is a priority to us. > Doing basic operations like moving, cropping, and resizing layers was so cumbersome that after 3 days I gave up and installed Photoshop 7. I'm still waiting for those "4 times fewer steps" in Pinta.
- nkkollaw 9y ago
  Whatever, man. If you're part of the project, your attitude is exactly what I'm talking about, so thanks for reinforcing my convictions. If you're not, since I'm unable to process basic information I wouldn't want to waste your time. Let's call it a day.
  - prokoudine 9y ago
    Yes, as project's contributor I find your claims blatantly inaccurate and offensive. That said, my way of handling them is most likely far from being humble.
    - nkkollaw 9y ago
      > Yes, as project's contributor I find your claims blatantly inaccurate and offensive That's funny. They can't be inaccurate, because I'm talking about my personal experience using the software. As for offending, I never even talked about anyone--just the project, and you are the one who's offended me personally by saying that I should get a grip of myself, I don't understand basic concepts in English, etc. etc.--which let me tell you doesn't look that good for GIMP as a project. This is how many open source projects handle criticism. I've seen this before, and I'm not surprised. Like I said, thanks for reinforcing the conviction I have that many projects stay in their silos and don't listen to users--to say it nicely--because they don't owe them anything (which of course it's true, but still). Regular users have no idea how to or have the willingness to get in touch with you, they'll just uninstall and move on. When someone in the middle like me does offer criticism, he doesn't understand basic concepts explained clearly to him--like you said--so obviously there's no solution. > That said, my way of handling them is most likely far from being humble. I guess we agree on this one (yay!)
      - prokoudine 9y ago
        > This is how many open source projects handle criticism. No, this is how some projects handle bullshit. Criticism is fine and even useful. Lemme explain the difference, because you are still not taking a grip on yourself. When you think developers introduced a regression and refuse to fix it, and you can use arguments other than 'because I said so' to prove your point — this is criticism. When you completely disregard all explanations why a certain feature was added, when you completely dismiss people pointing out that no, in fact other software has the same feature, and people do use it, then continue arguing ad nauseam — this is bullshit. Got it? Good. Now, you can be constructive and pay attention, and then we can have a conversation, or you can continue dismissing facts and go on living in an echo chamber. Your choice.