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Kind of a contorted way of seeing this, but I'll go for it. So, as a user I have to identify bottlenecks, now..? That would be my first question. Since you're

Kind of a contorted way of seeing this, but I'll go for it. So, as a user I have to identify bottlenecks, now..? That would be my first question. Since you're implying that by not thinking the performance indicator is an important feature for the average user I want GIMP to be slower, yes--actually I would definitely opt for a slower, usable program than a fast unusable one, and I never thought speed was a problem of GIMP. Right now I'm running Wine to be able to edit this PSD file without going crazy trying to use GIMP's interface, so obviously speed is not what I care about. I'm sure I'm not the only one, since other problems and not speed seem to be stopping people from using GIMP as their image editor.

prokoudine 9y ago
> So, as a user I have to identify bottlenecks, now..? That would be my first question. Please do pay attention. The release notes specifically describe who did that and for what purpose, and what's in it for end-users. It's all there for you to read. Just please pay attention. > and I never thought speed was a problem of GIMP Which suggests that you never used such a basic feature as Gaussian blur in both Photoshop and GIMP. GIMP _is_ slower than it should be. It actually _is_ a problem for people with modern DSLRs. We want to fix that problem.
- zzzcpan 9y ago
  Exactly. As someone who did use Photoshop professionally for years, I got used to Gimp's quirks in like a few days, but hit the performance wall right after that. Pretty much nothing I did in Photoshop is possible in Gimp due to performance issues.
- nkkollaw 9y ago
  Are _you_ paying attention (your tone is absolutely horrible, by the way)? I'm saying that I doubt the project's priorities are in line with those of its users. Are you sure that performance is a problem for most users? I have talked to people about GIMP before, and it came out 0 times, while usability was the problem that forced most people to install Photoshop or go back to Windows. In the past 3 days, I've opened pretty big illustrations (about 20,000px* 8000px) on a i35 thinker (mobile phone processor), and I had absolutely no problem opening them, scrolling around, etc. Doing basic operations like moving, cropping, and resizing layers was so cumbersome that after 3 days I gave up and installed Photoshop 7.
  - prokoudine 9y ago
    > Are _you_ paying attention (your tone is absolutely horrible, by the way)? I'm saying that I doubt the project's priorities are in line with those of its users. You don't like my tone, and I don't like your inability to process basic information written in clear English in the first two paragraphs of an article that you are discussing, followed by making ridiculous offensive statements. Are we even? > Are you sure that performance is a problem for most users? The majority of people who work on large images and use filters do have issue with performance of GIMP. Helping them is a priority to us. > Doing basic operations like moving, cropping, and resizing layers was so cumbersome that after 3 days I gave up and installed Photoshop 7. I'm still waiting for those "4 times fewer steps" in Pinta.
    - nkkollaw 9y ago
      Whatever, man. If you're part of the project, your attitude is exactly what I'm talking about, so thanks for reinforcing my convictions. If you're not, since I'm unable to process basic information I wouldn't want to waste your time. Let's call it a day.
      - prokoudine 9y ago
        Yes, as project's contributor I find your claims blatantly inaccurate and offensive. That said, my way of handling them is most likely far from being humble.
        nkkollaw 9y ago
        > Yes, as project's contributor I find your claims blatantly inaccurate and offensive That's funny. They can't be inaccurate, because I'm talking about my personal experience using the software. As for offending, I never even talked about anyone--just the project, and you are the one who's offended me personally by saying that I should get a grip of myself, I don't understand basic concepts in English, etc. etc.--which let me tell you doesn't look that good for GIMP as a project. This is how many open source projects handle criticism. I've seen this before, and I'm not surprised. Like I said, thanks for reinforcing the conviction I have that many projects stay in their silos and don't listen to users--to say it nicely--because they don't owe them anything (which of course it's true, but still). Regular users have no idea how to or have the willingness to get in touch with you, they'll just uninstall and move on. When someone in the middle like me does offer criticism, he doesn't understand basic concepts explained clearly to him--like you said--so obviously there's no solution. > That said, my way of handling them is most likely far from being humble. I guess we agree on this one (yay!)

prokoudine 9y ago

> So, as a user I have to identify bottlenecks, now..? That would be my first question. Please do pay attention. The release notes specifically describe who did that and for what purpose, and what's in it for end-users. It's all there for you to read. Just please pay attention. > and I never thought speed was a problem of GIMP Which suggests that you never used such a basic feature as Gaussian blur in both Photoshop and GIMP. GIMP _is_ slower than it should be. It actually _is_ a problem for people with modern DSLRs. We want to fix that problem.

zzzcpan 9y ago
Exactly. As someone who did use Photoshop professionally for years, I got used to Gimp's quirks in like a few days, but hit the performance wall right after that. Pretty much nothing I did in Photoshop is possible in Gimp due to performance issues.
nkkollaw 9y ago
Are _you_ paying attention (your tone is absolutely horrible, by the way)? I'm saying that I doubt the project's priorities are in line with those of its users. Are you sure that performance is a problem for most users? I have talked to people about GIMP before, and it came out 0 times, while usability was the problem that forced most people to install Photoshop or go back to Windows. In the past 3 days, I've opened pretty big illustrations (about 20,000px* 8000px) on a i35 thinker (mobile phone processor), and I had absolutely no problem opening them, scrolling around, etc. Doing basic operations like moving, cropping, and resizing layers was so cumbersome that after 3 days I gave up and installed Photoshop 7.
- prokoudine 9y ago
  > Are _you_ paying attention (your tone is absolutely horrible, by the way)? I'm saying that I doubt the project's priorities are in line with those of its users. You don't like my tone, and I don't like your inability to process basic information written in clear English in the first two paragraphs of an article that you are discussing, followed by making ridiculous offensive statements. Are we even? > Are you sure that performance is a problem for most users? The majority of people who work on large images and use filters do have issue with performance of GIMP. Helping them is a priority to us. > Doing basic operations like moving, cropping, and resizing layers was so cumbersome that after 3 days I gave up and installed Photoshop 7. I'm still waiting for those "4 times fewer steps" in Pinta.
  - nkkollaw 9y ago
    Whatever, man. If you're part of the project, your attitude is exactly what I'm talking about, so thanks for reinforcing my convictions. If you're not, since I'm unable to process basic information I wouldn't want to waste your time. Let's call it a day.
    - prokoudine 9y ago
      Yes, as project's contributor I find your claims blatantly inaccurate and offensive. That said, my way of handling them is most likely far from being humble.
      - nkkollaw 9y ago
        > Yes, as project's contributor I find your claims blatantly inaccurate and offensive That's funny. They can't be inaccurate, because I'm talking about my personal experience using the software. As for offending, I never even talked about anyone--just the project, and you are the one who's offended me personally by saying that I should get a grip of myself, I don't understand basic concepts in English, etc. etc.--which let me tell you doesn't look that good for GIMP as a project. This is how many open source projects handle criticism. I've seen this before, and I'm not surprised. Like I said, thanks for reinforcing the conviction I have that many projects stay in their silos and don't listen to users--to say it nicely--because they don't owe them anything (which of course it's true, but still). Regular users have no idea how to or have the willingness to get in touch with you, they'll just uninstall and move on. When someone in the middle like me does offer criticism, he doesn't understand basic concepts explained clearly to him--like you said--so obviously there's no solution. > That said, my way of handling them is most likely far from being humble. I guess we agree on this one (yay!)