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"Yes. They focus on features _they_ care about, not what users care about. The features announced in this release are good proof of that" I feel almost sorry a

"Yes. They focus on features _they_ care about, not what users care about. The features announced in this release are good proof of that" I feel almost sorry about wasting my time replying you, because you can't even read the first two paragraphs in the release notes. 2.10 rc1 is not about new fancy features, it's about fixing a shit ton of bugs and adding stuff that improves reporting bugs and making GIMP more stable and responsive. Try wrapping your head around that. "but if you look in a comment below there's a first-hand experience of how GIMP's developers are annoyed by usability and the fact that users would want a more usable software." It looks made up :) Edit: formatting

nkkollaw 9y ago
> I feel almost sorry about wasting my time replying you, because you can't even read the first two paragraphs in the release notes. That's not very nice, uh? I don't think I offended anyone here. However, I don't have to wrap my head around anything, because my point is that I don't think GIMP's developer's priority are in line with its users. I have hardly seen anyone complain about GIMP's bugs and stability problems (actually on that front it's been working great since I remember), and lots of people installing Wine because they can't figure out the interface. > "but if you look in a comment below there's a first-hand experience of how GIMP's developers are annoyed by usability and the fact that users would want a more usable software." It looks made up :) Since you've gone around the thread saying everything people post is a lie, can you actually state facts since you love facts so much? Can you link to a conversation the devs had about usability, where they were saying that it's important to them, their users, and a priority for the project?
- prokoudine 9y ago
  > However, I don't have to wrap my head around anything, because my point is that I don't think GIMP's developer's priority are in line with its users. Let's see. Did users ask for 16-/32-bit per channel editing? Yes. Done in 2.10. Did users ask for a tool that would combine rotation, scaling etc.? By gods, they did! Done in 2.10. Did users ask for canvas rotation/flipping? My, didn't they just! Done in 2.10. Did users complain about unusable iWarp filter? Oh yes! Fixed in 2.10, with a new tool that works directly on the canvas. I can go on like that forever. At least half of https://wiki.gimp.org/wiki/Release:2.10_changelog https://wiki.gimp.org/wiki/Release:2.10_changelog was implemented from bug reports, and that list isn't even entirely up-to-date, partly because I'm a lazy ass, and partly because I keep stumbling on people like you and can't fight the urge to reply. > Since you've gone around the thread saying everything people post is a lie, can you actually state facts since you love facts so much? Can you link to a conversation the devs had about usability, where they were saying that it's important to them, their users, and a priority for the project? I can point you to a whole website we created to handle UI problems and a whole mailing list for the same purpose. I can point you to specs there that were implemented. If I manage to find old mailing lists archives, I can even point you to a post by a former lead dev who literally said that GIMP's usability sucks and then implemented single-window mode (much requested by users whose interests we ignore as you seem to believe). Good enough?
  - Joeboy 9y ago
    > I can even point you to a post by a former lead dev who literally said that GIMP's usability sucks and then implemented single-window mode It's ancient and of academic interest only, but here[1]'s a bug report where people ask for a single-window mode and are told it's impossible and undesirable. It stayed open for seven years before being WONTFIXed in 2008. I guess this might be before your time on the project, and of course things have changed since then, but I think this might the sort of thing that led to the GIMP team's reputation for user-indifference. [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7379 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7379

nkkollaw 9y ago

> I feel almost sorry about wasting my time replying you, because you can't even read the first two paragraphs in the release notes. That's not very nice, uh? I don't think I offended anyone here. However, I don't have to wrap my head around anything, because my point is that I don't think GIMP's developer's priority are in line with its users. I have hardly seen anyone complain about GIMP's bugs and stability problems (actually on that front it's been working great since I remember), and lots of people installing Wine because they can't figure out the interface. > "but if you look in a comment below there's a first-hand experience of how GIMP's developers are annoyed by usability and the fact that users would want a more usable software." It looks made up :) Since you've gone around the thread saying everything people post is a lie, can you actually state facts since you love facts so much? Can you link to a conversation the devs had about usability, where they were saying that it's important to them, their users, and a priority for the project?

prokoudine 9y ago
> However, I don't have to wrap my head around anything, because my point is that I don't think GIMP's developer's priority are in line with its users. Let's see. Did users ask for 16-/32-bit per channel editing? Yes. Done in 2.10. Did users ask for a tool that would combine rotation, scaling etc.? By gods, they did! Done in 2.10. Did users ask for canvas rotation/flipping? My, didn't they just! Done in 2.10. Did users complain about unusable iWarp filter? Oh yes! Fixed in 2.10, with a new tool that works directly on the canvas. I can go on like that forever. At least half of https://wiki.gimp.org/wiki/Release:2.10_changelog https://wiki.gimp.org/wiki/Release:2.10_changelog was implemented from bug reports, and that list isn't even entirely up-to-date, partly because I'm a lazy ass, and partly because I keep stumbling on people like you and can't fight the urge to reply. > Since you've gone around the thread saying everything people post is a lie, can you actually state facts since you love facts so much? Can you link to a conversation the devs had about usability, where they were saying that it's important to them, their users, and a priority for the project? I can point you to a whole website we created to handle UI problems and a whole mailing list for the same purpose. I can point you to specs there that were implemented. If I manage to find old mailing lists archives, I can even point you to a post by a former lead dev who literally said that GIMP's usability sucks and then implemented single-window mode (much requested by users whose interests we ignore as you seem to believe). Good enough?
- Joeboy 9y ago
  > I can even point you to a post by a former lead dev who literally said that GIMP's usability sucks and then implemented single-window mode It's ancient and of academic interest only, but here[1]'s a bug report where people ask for a single-window mode and are told it's impossible and undesirable. It stayed open for seven years before being WONTFIXed in 2008. I guess this might be before your time on the project, and of course things have changed since then, but I think this might the sort of thing that led to the GIMP team's reputation for user-indifference. [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7379 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7379