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What a load of rubbish I see in the comments. The US has been using all the tricks in the book, for decades, to further its economic dominance, including shapin

What a load of rubbish I see in the comments. The US has been using all the tricks in the book, for decades, to further its economic dominance, including shaping international law in its own interest (copyright & IP law) and other niceties like invading countries, corrupting democracies, supporting dictators, and lying in the security council. All while polluting and laying to waste the planet. And now you are complaining because China is, adhering to international trading agreements, improving the quality of living of their citizens, and winning in some areas? Whiners! What a fitting president you have ... It would be good for you to realize that the planet is not only populated by americans, that other people have the same right as you have to improve their quality of life, and that you do not have any divine entitlement to affluence.

deft 9y ago
What do you expect from HN? US economic policy is pillage and plunder, yet the second another nation state does it we're supposed to care? Quite frankly I don't care whose exploiting the planet and robbing from us all. US or China, equally bad. This article and these comments seem to say "It was great when we had control..."
ggg9990 9y ago
The thing is that the US could have taken actions starting 25 years ago so that all of the advantage captured by China today would have been captured by us and added even more to our privileges.
tdb7893 9y ago
I think most of the issue is that they were let into international trade markets on the assumption that it would be a free market but they have stolen a lot of IP and not been a particularly open or free market in some areas. I hope the international community calls out the US on a lot of toxic practices but doesn't mean we need to ignore the poor Chinese trade practices
- gonvaled 9y ago
  Have you even, for a fraction of a second, considered what it meant, for example, to invade Irak and kill thousands / millions of civilians, while destabilizing one of the most dangerous areas of the planet? And you are worried that, in a playing field tilted by and towards the US, China has found a way, maybe playing the system, to improve their economic well-being? I for one hope that they keep on finding ways to force the system to "trickle down", as your right-wing capitalists like to describe your dysfunctional one-percenter system. According to you, now is the time to call the unfair Chinese trade practices, and yes, you know, we will even maybe take a look at what the US has been doing for decades, yes maybe we will take a look now, but of course the important thing is to make sure that the Chinese do not play the system to their advantage. Once we make sure, then we can forget about the wrongdoings of the US. After all, the US are the good ones, so who cares if you kill one million here, one million there. It is for the greater good. Rubbish.
  - tdb7893 9y ago
    I'm all for equal enforcement of trade issues so I'm not really sure who you are arguing against here. It's also a good time to call the US out on their problems.
LMYahooTFY 9y ago
Can you point out where someone is complaining about this while simultaneously denying US policy along similar lines as you describe? I can see maybe one comment that might be somewhat close to what you describe, but you make it seem as if the whole thread is chanting "USA", and I am getting quite the opposite impression.
dang 9y ago
You may be completely right, but by expressing your points as an angry politico-national rant, you break the site guidelines and do much more damage to this majority-international community than the presumptive truth of your comment could possibly add. This damage is exactly what we don't want to see here. I realize that others are damaging just as much from the opposite side, but that's a reason to do better than them, not just as bad or worse. If you can't help preserve this community from flamewar (which is after all a kind of war), please don't post until you can.
- gonvaled 9y ago
  I am expressing my point angrily as an humanist rant. Avoiding nationalism is exactly what I would like to see here. Good for you to call me out on my manners, but, as we in the "international" community are quite used by now, rules are only reminded when US susceptibilities are hurt. Please, next time do not wait for an anti-american rant to remind the community that all countries and peoples deserve respect.
  - dang 9y ago
    This comment sort of sinks back into what we're asking people not to do here. I know how easy it is to have perceptions like this, and how painful they are. But it's just not true that we only "wait for an anti-american rant to remind the community". Since it isn't true, it isn't necessary to perceive HN this way. Instead, why not help it to have less of the bad sort of comment? If you or anyone run across a comment breaking the site guidelines and not getting moderated, the likeliest explanation is that we just haven't seen it yet. We can't come close to seeing all the comments, but we do look at all the ones that people tell us about. You can either flag the comment (as described at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html) or email us at hn@ycombinator.com. Emailing is best in egregious cases because then we're guaranteed to see it, and probably a lot sooner.

deft 9y ago

What do you expect from HN? US economic policy is pillage and plunder, yet the second another nation state does it we're supposed to care? Quite frankly I don't care whose exploiting the planet and robbing from us all. US or China, equally bad. This article and these comments seem to say "It was great when we had control..."

ggg9990 9y ago

The thing is that the US could have taken actions starting 25 years ago so that all of the advantage captured by China today would have been captured by us and added even more to our privileges.

tdb7893 9y ago

I think most of the issue is that they were let into international trade markets on the assumption that it would be a free market but they have stolen a lot of IP and not been a particularly open or free market in some areas. I hope the international community calls out the US on a lot of toxic practices but doesn't mean we need to ignore the poor Chinese trade practices

gonvaled 9y ago
Have you even, for a fraction of a second, considered what it meant, for example, to invade Irak and kill thousands / millions of civilians, while destabilizing one of the most dangerous areas of the planet? And you are worried that, in a playing field tilted by and towards the US, China has found a way, maybe playing the system, to improve their economic well-being? I for one hope that they keep on finding ways to force the system to "trickle down", as your right-wing capitalists like to describe your dysfunctional one-percenter system. According to you, now is the time to call the unfair Chinese trade practices, and yes, you know, we will even maybe take a look at what the US has been doing for decades, yes maybe we will take a look now, but of course the important thing is to make sure that the Chinese do not play the system to their advantage. Once we make sure, then we can forget about the wrongdoings of the US. After all, the US are the good ones, so who cares if you kill one million here, one million there. It is for the greater good. Rubbish.
- tdb7893 9y ago
  I'm all for equal enforcement of trade issues so I'm not really sure who you are arguing against here. It's also a good time to call the US out on their problems.

LMYahooTFY 9y ago

Can you point out where someone is complaining about this while simultaneously denying US policy along similar lines as you describe? I can see maybe one comment that might be somewhat close to what you describe, but you make it seem as if the whole thread is chanting "USA", and I am getting quite the opposite impression.

dang 9y ago

You may be completely right, but by expressing your points as an angry politico-national rant, you break the site guidelines and do much more damage to this majority-international community than the presumptive truth of your comment could possibly add. This damage is exactly what we don't want to see here. I realize that others are damaging just as much from the opposite side, but that's a reason to do better than them, not just as bad or worse. If you can't help preserve this community from flamewar (which is after all a kind of war), please don't post until you can.

gonvaled 9y ago
I am expressing my point angrily as an humanist rant. Avoiding nationalism is exactly what I would like to see here. Good for you to call me out on my manners, but, as we in the "international" community are quite used by now, rules are only reminded when US susceptibilities are hurt. Please, next time do not wait for an anti-american rant to remind the community that all countries and peoples deserve respect.
- dang 9y ago
  This comment sort of sinks back into what we're asking people not to do here. I know how easy it is to have perceptions like this, and how painful they are. But it's just not true that we only "wait for an anti-american rant to remind the community". Since it isn't true, it isn't necessary to perceive HN this way. Instead, why not help it to have less of the bad sort of comment? If you or anyone run across a comment breaking the site guidelines and not getting moderated, the likeliest explanation is that we just haven't seen it yet. We can't come close to seeing all the comments, but we do look at all the ones that people tell us about. You can either flag the comment (as described at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html) or email us at hn@ycombinator.com. Emailing is best in egregious cases because then we're guaranteed to see it, and probably a lot sooner.