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There has been a strong hate towards white men in particular in recent years. Everything seems to be their fault if you read huffpo.

faitswulff 9y ago
It's not actually a recent phenomenon...
vkou 9y ago
The problem is not white men, the problem is that our society has many (but not all) systemic biases that benefits them, at the expense of others. Many of these biases are so ingrained, they are invisible. As a white man, I don't have to deal with many categories of bullshit that people of color and women are subjected to. I do have to deal with a few things that they don't, but there aren't many of them.
- hudon 9y ago
  This seems like a wildly sexist and racist sentiment. Do you have any evidence that being a white man causes you to have greater opportunities?
  - ghettoimp 9y ago
    Uh... yes? Are you seriously proposing that our society doesn't give white men more opportunities than minorities and women? Or that they don't have to deal with shit that white men don't have to? (If so I'd recommend the podcasts Reveal, Scene on Radio, Us and Them, and so forth.)
    - hudon 9y ago
      I'm asking for evidence that "being a white man causes you to have greater opportunities". If you can't provide that but you're only going to provide additional outrage, you're not really adding to the discussion.
      - ghettoimp 9y ago
        Pretty sure I added more than whatever "outrage" you are inferring from my comment with my podcast suggestions. Here's a recent Reveal episode where they discuss how banks won't lend to black folks: https://www.revealnews.org/article/for-people-of-color-banks-are-shutting-the-door-to-homeownership/ https://www.revealnews.org/article/for-people-of-color-banks... Of course unequal lending and housing opportunities go back in time forever, with huge consequences for, e.g., the wealth that white vs. black families have been able to accumulate over time, since houses are most folks' biggest assets. Here's a recent Scene on Radio episode where they discuss the long history of federal programs that benefit whites and exclude blacks, etc. Of course you should really listen to the rest of the series for context: https://documentarystudies.duke.edu/podcasts/white-affirmative-action-seeing-white-part-13 https://documentarystudies.duke.edu/podcasts/white-affirmati... This is actually really interesting stuff to learn about, if you'd care to.
        hudon 9y ago
        I was referring to: "Uh... yes?", "Are you seriously proposing [...]", "deal with shit". Thanks for the study, I'll check it out.
- wu-ikkyu 9y ago
  As a man, you're more likely to be murdered, killed in a war, commit suicide, die in a workplace accident, and be sentenced to prison disproportionately longer for the same crime as compared to women.
  - vkou 9y ago
    I'm also incredibly less likely to be raped, be the victim of domestic abuse from my partner, pressured by my boss for sex, have my qualifications questioned over my gender, low-balled on offers, negatively evaluated for expressing 'masculine' traits in the workplace, be low-balled on hiring offers, have my career suffer because of fears that I'll have a child and take paternity leave, should I keep going..? The nature of privilege is that some people have more of it in certain contexts, and other people have more of it in other contexts. That doesn't mean that the playing field is equal. And, uh, if I were a black or native man, I'd have all the problems you listed, and a whole bunch more.
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    - wu-ikkyu 9y ago
      Being killed or locked in prison (where the likelihood of rape skyrockets) seems objectively worse than any of those things, does it not? Why is it that you are so eager to ignore the inequalities against men in favor of women?
      - vkou 9y ago
        It's great that we're talking about prison. If you're a black man, you are seven times more likely to be incarcerated then a white man. Five times more likely to be arrested for drug possession, despite similar rates of drug use. 30% more likely to be jailed before your trial. 150% more likely to be searched at a traffic stop. Since you're placing so much emphasis on prison, as worse then any of the things I listed, it sounds like you you should agree that white privilege is a huge problem. But let's take a step back. Since I'm a white man, my odds of being incarcerated are ~1/100. Small chance of that. If I were a woman, however, I'd be dealing with the problems I listed in my previous post all the time. Read my posts. Nowhere did I ignore that inequalities in both directions exist. What I take issue with is people blowing the inequalities that disadvantage white men out of proportion. Almost all the gender-particular problems they have, men of color have, with a second and third helping.

faitswulff 9y ago

It's not actually a recent phenomenon...

vkou 9y ago

The problem is not white men, the problem is that our society has many (but not all) systemic biases that benefits them, at the expense of others. Many of these biases are so ingrained, they are invisible. As a white man, I don't have to deal with many categories of bullshit that people of color and women are subjected to. I do have to deal with a few things that they don't, but there aren't many of them.

hudon 9y ago
This seems like a wildly sexist and racist sentiment. Do you have any evidence that being a white man causes you to have greater opportunities?
- ghettoimp 9y ago
  Uh... yes? Are you seriously proposing that our society doesn't give white men more opportunities than minorities and women? Or that they don't have to deal with shit that white men don't have to? (If so I'd recommend the podcasts Reveal, Scene on Radio, Us and Them, and so forth.)
  - hudon 9y ago
    I'm asking for evidence that "being a white man causes you to have greater opportunities". If you can't provide that but you're only going to provide additional outrage, you're not really adding to the discussion.
    - ghettoimp 9y ago
      Pretty sure I added more than whatever "outrage" you are inferring from my comment with my podcast suggestions. Here's a recent Reveal episode where they discuss how banks won't lend to black folks: https://www.revealnews.org/article/for-people-of-color-banks-are-shutting-the-door-to-homeownership/ https://www.revealnews.org/article/for-people-of-color-banks... Of course unequal lending and housing opportunities go back in time forever, with huge consequences for, e.g., the wealth that white vs. black families have been able to accumulate over time, since houses are most folks' biggest assets. Here's a recent Scene on Radio episode where they discuss the long history of federal programs that benefit whites and exclude blacks, etc. Of course you should really listen to the rest of the series for context: https://documentarystudies.duke.edu/podcasts/white-affirmative-action-seeing-white-part-13 https://documentarystudies.duke.edu/podcasts/white-affirmati... This is actually really interesting stuff to learn about, if you'd care to.
      - hudon 9y ago
        I was referring to: "Uh... yes?", "Are you seriously proposing [...]", "deal with shit". Thanks for the study, I'll check it out.
wu-ikkyu 9y ago
As a man, you're more likely to be murdered, killed in a war, commit suicide, die in a workplace accident, and be sentenced to prison disproportionately longer for the same crime as compared to women.
- vkou 9y ago
  I'm also incredibly less likely to be raped, be the victim of domestic abuse from my partner, pressured by my boss for sex, have my qualifications questioned over my gender, low-balled on offers, negatively evaluated for expressing 'masculine' traits in the workplace, be low-balled on hiring offers, have my career suffer because of fears that I'll have a child and take paternity leave, should I keep going..? The nature of privilege is that some people have more of it in certain contexts, and other people have more of it in other contexts. That doesn't mean that the playing field is equal. And, uh, if I were a black or native man, I'd have all the problems you listed, and a whole bunch more.
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  - wu-ikkyu 9y ago
    Being killed or locked in prison (where the likelihood of rape skyrockets) seems objectively worse than any of those things, does it not? Why is it that you are so eager to ignore the inequalities against men in favor of women?
    - vkou 9y ago
      It's great that we're talking about prison. If you're a black man, you are seven times more likely to be incarcerated then a white man. Five times more likely to be arrested for drug possession, despite similar rates of drug use. 30% more likely to be jailed before your trial. 150% more likely to be searched at a traffic stop. Since you're placing so much emphasis on prison, as worse then any of the things I listed, it sounds like you you should agree that white privilege is a huge problem. But let's take a step back. Since I'm a white man, my odds of being incarcerated are ~1/100. Small chance of that. If I were a woman, however, I'd be dealing with the problems I listed in my previous post all the time. Read my posts. Nowhere did I ignore that inequalities in both directions exist. What I take issue with is people blowing the inequalities that disadvantage white men out of proportion. Almost all the gender-particular problems they have, men of color have, with a second and third helping.