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Yep. The author actually summarized it pretty well in the last paragraph: In theory, the best way to ensure sufficient supplies of both nickel and

by devy 9y ago

Yep. The author actually summarized it pretty well in the last paragraph: In theory, the best way to ensure sufficient supplies of both nickel and cobalt would be for prices to rise enough to make mining them together more profitable.

kazinator 9y ago
Of course, that works because "sufficient supplies" is defined as "sufficient at price X to those who are willing to pay X" not "sufficient for those who only wanted to pay the original price". The principle works for anything at any price, nearly vacuously. For instance, there are sufficient supplies of Lamborghini automobiles, ensured by the price being high enough that making them is profitable.
- OrganicMSG 9y ago
  Yep, but it is a useful concept with certain minerals and products. For instance, the vast majority of the cost of producing a lithium battery is the big oven to dry them out before sealing them, the price of the lithium itself is way down the list and could effectively double before it massively affected battery costs. However if the price does double, suddenly lithium is economically available pretty much everywhere.
  - kazinator 9y ago
    Thus if there is a niche use for some material, and that something is very cheap, but that niche use itself is profitable, then that industry somehow ensures that it has enough of the material just for itself. Maybe by owning the production chains of that material; those units don't have to stand alone as profitable. Outsiders can't easily get the stuff, though. If the stuff becomes independently profitable, then the availability follows.
    - OrganicMSG 9y ago
      These thing can happen by accident also. If it is generally known that there are only a few places in the world that you get lithium from, then investors are going to think that lithium is very risky and may run out. They don't tend to think, "Hey, it is the third lightest element, in theory there should be loads of it, perhaps we are only mining the cheapest possible sources", which is the actual truth of the matter. So while the people inside the industry might know the potential availability, investors on the whole do not and so the market only gets enough money to expand conservatively, rather than enough to kick off a magnitude more resource acquisition at a significantly higher raw material cost.

by devy 9y ago

kazinator 9y ago

Of course, that works because "sufficient supplies" is defined as "sufficient at price X to those who are willing to pay X" not "sufficient for those who only wanted to pay the original price". The principle works for anything at any price, nearly vacuously. For instance, there are sufficient supplies of Lamborghini automobiles, ensured by the price being high enough that making them is profitable.

OrganicMSG 9y ago
Yep, but it is a useful concept with certain minerals and products. For instance, the vast majority of the cost of producing a lithium battery is the big oven to dry them out before sealing them, the price of the lithium itself is way down the list and could effectively double before it massively affected battery costs. However if the price does double, suddenly lithium is economically available pretty much everywhere.
- kazinator 9y ago
  Thus if there is a niche use for some material, and that something is very cheap, but that niche use itself is profitable, then that industry somehow ensures that it has enough of the material just for itself. Maybe by owning the production chains of that material; those units don't have to stand alone as profitable. Outsiders can't easily get the stuff, though. If the stuff becomes independently profitable, then the availability follows.
  - OrganicMSG 9y ago
    These thing can happen by accident also. If it is generally known that there are only a few places in the world that you get lithium from, then investors are going to think that lithium is very risky and may run out. They don't tend to think, "Hey, it is the third lightest element, in theory there should be loads of it, perhaps we are only mining the cheapest possible sources", which is the actual truth of the matter. So while the people inside the industry might know the potential availability, investors on the whole do not and so the market only gets enough money to expand conservatively, rather than enough to kick off a magnitude more resource acquisition at a significantly higher raw material cost.