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Congress REALY needs to pass strong privacy regulations.

by mgleason_3 9y ago

craftyguy 9y ago
They can barely keep the government running. Don't hold your breath.
- outside2344 9y ago
  And can't even pass something to stop kids from being killed in classrooms in mass numbers. Don't hold your breath.
  - itg 9y ago
    Because no student ever does illegal drugs, so lets take away rights from everyone.
    - f2n 9y ago
      I'm confused... what does drugs have to do with this?
      - kdbg 9y ago
        I think they are making the argument that just as banning drugs doesnt prevent kids from accessing then banning guns wouldnt prevent access to guns.
        s73v3r_ 9y ago
        Well, most of the first world would disagree.
        kdbg 9y ago
        You might want to try replying to the person making that argument. I was simply stating what I believe the poster was saying
  - thisacctforreal 9y ago
    That simply isn't an easy job with the current interpretation of the 2nd Ammendment and somewhere around 3 to 4 million AR15s alone, well more than 300M firearms total[1] It's a matter of 0.00013% of the population (1 in 750,000)[2] picking one of them up one day and deciding to use it for a killing spree. Mass shootings are tragic, but it's not as if there's a good solution to them on the table waiting to be taken. [1] http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2012/12/20/assault_rifle_stats_how_many_assault_rifles_are_there_in_america.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2012/12/20/assault_rifle_st... edit: [2] I previously used ~0.00002%, or 50 mass shootings per year, but there were 427 in 2017 including shootings with just injuries https://massshootingtracker.org/data/2017 https://massshootingtracker.org/data/2017
  - RcouF1uZ4gsC 9y ago
    You are right. There have been studies that news coverage of these school shootings leads to copycat attacks. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/the-big-idea/2018/2/22/17041382/school-shooting-media-coverage-perpetrator-parkland https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/the-bi... Why doesn't Congress pass a law limiting how school shootings can be covered by news media? It might save student lives. There is an amendment that prevents that you say? Well the first amendment talks about freedom of the press. The founders could not have imagined online news, tv and cable news or social media. Maybe we only allow stories published on actual printing presses, and ban coverage on online, tv, and social media of school shootings. Also, even with presses, the printing presses of the 18th century were not like our automated presses of today that can print hundreds or thousands of pages per minute, no those presses were single shot presses where you had to reload after each page. Maybe they were only talking about those kind of presses when they named freedom of the press.
    - robotrout 9y ago
      The feeding frenzy the corporate media indulges itself in, whenever an event like this occurs is regrettable. It's a prisoners dilemma, since any corporate media outlet that does not ramp up to "National Enquirer" level hysteria, will be overshadowed by those who do. To solve such a prisoners dilemma would seem to require regulation, so that those who want to be good actors are not punished by losing viewership to bad actors. Japan's (lack of) coverage of suicides to prevent copycat behavior can serve as a model.
    - unsayable 9y ago
      The first amendment wasn't written with social media in mind, just like the second amendment wasn't written with semi-automatic rifles in mind. The US needs to enact common sense speech control to stop these tragedies from propagating. Secondary thought: maybe if we restrict online speech to those over 21, we could stop a lot of bullying that leads to these problems in the first place, and as an extra benefit this kind of ban could stop children from posting things online that will negatively impact them later in life.
      - 9y ago
  - peterhadlaw 9y ago
    You'd think that after 28 years[0] they'd finally do something. Looking at the data[1] and honestly, just common sense. There doesn't need to be more bloodshed. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Free_School_Zones_Act_of_1990 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Free_School_Zones_Act_of_1... 1: http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/feb/21/richard-corcoran/do-most-mass-shootings-happen-gun-free-zones/ http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/feb/21/ric...
  - swsieber 9y ago
    They don't enforce things to stop kids from being killed in classrooms in mass numbers. There were a number of things that should have stopped the kid.
    - robotrout 9y ago
      I agree. The people who pound the table about guns, but refuse to pound the table about the countless failures of the system to protect these kids, are cynically using this event for political gain. The FBI not picking up the kid after being tipped off, the sheriff's department not picking up the kid after 39 visits, or the Sheriff Deputy that did not engage the shooter, but waited for backup, all point to already existing policy that failed to be followed properly. Even the principal himself, who evacuated a school based on an unsubstantiated fire alarm (every fire control panel tells you what switch was pulled, so he could easily have called a teacher near that station for confirmation) shares some of the blame here. Also, the fact that he evacuated multiple buildings, rather than only the building where the alarm was pulled, was a confusing mistake. There are people who are actually trying to fix a very broken system, and they are not the ones using this to advance a political agenda.
      - rhizome 9y ago
        The people who pound the table about guns, but refuse to pound the table about the countless failures of the system to protect these kids Who is doing this? Not very many, I estimate. Even allowing your premise, they're separate issues. Gun control is about more than school shootings, and one could turn your ire back onto you for focusing only on school shootings when there are many more kinds of mass shootings out there, not to mention interpersonal fights escalating to firepower.
        robotrout 9y ago
        The number of posters who harp on gun control, without even mentioning the failings that allowed this kid to carry out his attack approaches 100% on certain sites. I would say it's 80% even on this site. As somebody who personally had (and witnessed others) fights in high school parking lots with rifles in the pickup windows of the combatants (yep, I'm over 40), and never heard of anybody ever considering escalating to firepower, I have to call BS on that. I expect to be down voted, but unless you feel that people have become more evil since your father was a kid, I don't know what to tell you. As for gang violence and other crime, I invite you to look at Mexico (or Chicago), which have strict gun control.
  - untog 9y ago
    I'm downvoting this not because I disagree with the sentiment (I'm in favor of gun control) but because there is zero chance this doesn't descend into a hellscape flamewar, when there's plenty of very valid on-topic discussion to be had here.
Tloewald 9y ago
If somehow a dog dies because of FB or Android then… maybe.
beenBoutIT 9y ago
It'd be better for everyone if they had unbiased experts lacking corporate ties draw up the regulations.
- dboreham 9y ago
  That's so un-American.
moolcool 9y ago
Technical solutions > legal solutions. iOS doesn't have (as many) problems like this (speaking as an Android user)
- thisacctforreal 9y ago
  There is still the isssue of the Photos permission granting access to all photos on the device. But I believe location metadata is stripped for apps without location permissions, and the Photos permission is largely unnecessary thanks to the near ubiquitous Share button support.
sp332 9y ago
Do they know you care? Have you written to them? Called them? https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representati... https://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm https://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_...
c2h5oh 9y ago
The last time I checked they passed a law allowing ISPs to sell browsing histories of their customers, so I wouldn't count on them.
chiefalchemist 9y ago
In theory, yes. The reality is they have no idea what this is all about. If we want something done __and done right__ we're gonna have to figure it out on our own.
noarchy 9y ago
>Congress REALY needs to pass strong privacy regulations. They could do that. The first thing I'll expect them to do is exempt themselves, so that the government(s) can continue to work with these same companies to violate your privacy as they have been doing.
CaptSpify 9y ago
You are assuming that this is a bug, and not a feature from the Government's perspective.

Congress REALY needs to pass strong privacy regulations.

craftyguy 9y ago

They can barely keep the government running. Don't hold your breath.

outside2344 9y ago
And can't even pass something to stop kids from being killed in classrooms in mass numbers. Don't hold your breath.
- itg 9y ago
  Because no student ever does illegal drugs, so lets take away rights from everyone.
  - f2n 9y ago
    I'm confused... what does drugs have to do with this?
    - kdbg 9y ago
      I think they are making the argument that just as banning drugs doesnt prevent kids from accessing then banning guns wouldnt prevent access to guns.
      - s73v3r_ 9y ago
        Well, most of the first world would disagree.
        kdbg 9y ago
        You might want to try replying to the person making that argument. I was simply stating what I believe the poster was saying
- thisacctforreal 9y ago
  That simply isn't an easy job with the current interpretation of the 2nd Ammendment and somewhere around 3 to 4 million AR15s alone, well more than 300M firearms total[1] It's a matter of 0.00013% of the population (1 in 750,000)[2] picking one of them up one day and deciding to use it for a killing spree. Mass shootings are tragic, but it's not as if there's a good solution to them on the table waiting to be taken. [1] http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2012/12/20/assault_rifle_stats_how_many_assault_rifles_are_there_in_america.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2012/12/20/assault_rifle_st... edit: [2] I previously used ~0.00002%, or 50 mass shootings per year, but there were 427 in 2017 including shootings with just injuries https://massshootingtracker.org/data/2017 https://massshootingtracker.org/data/2017
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 9y ago
  You are right. There have been studies that news coverage of these school shootings leads to copycat attacks. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/the-big-idea/2018/2/22/17041382/school-shooting-media-coverage-perpetrator-parkland https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/the-bi... Why doesn't Congress pass a law limiting how school shootings can be covered by news media? It might save student lives. There is an amendment that prevents that you say? Well the first amendment talks about freedom of the press. The founders could not have imagined online news, tv and cable news or social media. Maybe we only allow stories published on actual printing presses, and ban coverage on online, tv, and social media of school shootings. Also, even with presses, the printing presses of the 18th century were not like our automated presses of today that can print hundreds or thousands of pages per minute, no those presses were single shot presses where you had to reload after each page. Maybe they were only talking about those kind of presses when they named freedom of the press.
  - robotrout 9y ago
    The feeding frenzy the corporate media indulges itself in, whenever an event like this occurs is regrettable. It's a prisoners dilemma, since any corporate media outlet that does not ramp up to "National Enquirer" level hysteria, will be overshadowed by those who do. To solve such a prisoners dilemma would seem to require regulation, so that those who want to be good actors are not punished by losing viewership to bad actors. Japan's (lack of) coverage of suicides to prevent copycat behavior can serve as a model.
  - unsayable 9y ago
    The first amendment wasn't written with social media in mind, just like the second amendment wasn't written with semi-automatic rifles in mind. The US needs to enact common sense speech control to stop these tragedies from propagating. Secondary thought: maybe if we restrict online speech to those over 21, we could stop a lot of bullying that leads to these problems in the first place, and as an extra benefit this kind of ban could stop children from posting things online that will negatively impact them later in life.
    - 9y ago
- peterhadlaw 9y ago
  You'd think that after 28 years[0] they'd finally do something. Looking at the data[1] and honestly, just common sense. There doesn't need to be more bloodshed. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Free_School_Zones_Act_of_1990 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Free_School_Zones_Act_of_1... 1: http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/feb/21/richard-corcoran/do-most-mass-shootings-happen-gun-free-zones/ http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/feb/21/ric...
- swsieber 9y ago
  They don't enforce things to stop kids from being killed in classrooms in mass numbers. There were a number of things that should have stopped the kid.
  - robotrout 9y ago
    I agree. The people who pound the table about guns, but refuse to pound the table about the countless failures of the system to protect these kids, are cynically using this event for political gain. The FBI not picking up the kid after being tipped off, the sheriff's department not picking up the kid after 39 visits, or the Sheriff Deputy that did not engage the shooter, but waited for backup, all point to already existing policy that failed to be followed properly. Even the principal himself, who evacuated a school based on an unsubstantiated fire alarm (every fire control panel tells you what switch was pulled, so he could easily have called a teacher near that station for confirmation) shares some of the blame here. Also, the fact that he evacuated multiple buildings, rather than only the building where the alarm was pulled, was a confusing mistake. There are people who are actually trying to fix a very broken system, and they are not the ones using this to advance a political agenda.
    - rhizome 9y ago
      The people who pound the table about guns, but refuse to pound the table about the countless failures of the system to protect these kids Who is doing this? Not very many, I estimate. Even allowing your premise, they're separate issues. Gun control is about more than school shootings, and one could turn your ire back onto you for focusing only on school shootings when there are many more kinds of mass shootings out there, not to mention interpersonal fights escalating to firepower.
      - robotrout 9y ago
        The number of posters who harp on gun control, without even mentioning the failings that allowed this kid to carry out his attack approaches 100% on certain sites. I would say it's 80% even on this site. As somebody who personally had (and witnessed others) fights in high school parking lots with rifles in the pickup windows of the combatants (yep, I'm over 40), and never heard of anybody ever considering escalating to firepower, I have to call BS on that. I expect to be down voted, but unless you feel that people have become more evil since your father was a kid, I don't know what to tell you. As for gang violence and other crime, I invite you to look at Mexico (or Chicago), which have strict gun control.
- untog 9y ago
  I'm downvoting this not because I disagree with the sentiment (I'm in favor of gun control) but because there is zero chance this doesn't descend into a hellscape flamewar, when there's plenty of very valid on-topic discussion to be had here.

Tloewald 9y ago

If somehow a dog dies because of FB or Android then… maybe.

beenBoutIT 9y ago

It'd be better for everyone if they had unbiased experts lacking corporate ties draw up the regulations.

dboreham 9y ago
That's so un-American.

moolcool 9y ago

Technical solutions > legal solutions. iOS doesn't have (as many) problems like this (speaking as an Android user)

thisacctforreal 9y ago
There is still the isssue of the Photos permission granting access to all photos on the device. But I believe location metadata is stripped for apps without location permissions, and the Photos permission is largely unnecessary thanks to the near ubiquitous Share button support.

sp332 9y ago

Do they know you care? Have you written to them? Called them? https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representati... https://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm https://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_...

c2h5oh 9y ago

The last time I checked they passed a law allowing ISPs to sell browsing histories of their customers, so I wouldn't count on them.

chiefalchemist 9y ago

In theory, yes. The reality is they have no idea what this is all about. If we want something done __and done right__ we're gonna have to figure it out on our own.

noarchy 9y ago

>Congress REALY needs to pass strong privacy regulations. They could do that. The first thing I'll expect them to do is exempt themselves, so that the government(s) can continue to work with these same companies to violate your privacy as they have been doing.

CaptSpify 9y ago

You are assuming that this is a bug, and not a feature from the Government's perspective.