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> Windows has effectively lost the generation that will shape corporate environments... No they haven't. As evidence - there is an avalanche of young gamers an

> Windows has effectively lost the generation that will shape corporate environments... No they haven't. As evidence - there is an avalanche of young gamers and streamers using Windows. Almost every streamer and gamer using Twitch.tv are on Windows. Watch the programming streams - it's almost exclusively done on Windows. Those "entrenched Windows shops" are everywhere as well. Throw a stone and you'll hit one. I bought a car the other day and everyone on the sales floor and in their finance office is running Windows. My wife is a teacher and guess what they use in their administrative offices and guess what every teacher uses to get email? Every insurance shop I've seen runs Windows. Every call center I've ever seen runs Windows. Every sales office I've ever seen runs Windows, even in industries such as publishing where the Mac is popular. > But Windows has largely lost personal computing to Android and iOS. I wouldn't call this computing...it's more like consumption. People who need to work at home aren't using Android and iOS. My brother in law works for a big financial house. When he works at home, he isn't using Android or iOS. Same with my sister in law who works for a big insurance company. > They have no attachment to Microsoft [people who went from school through university using iOS or Android]... New employees don't start off by being able to change whatever they want. Furthermore, they will learn more on the job than they did in school. If they simply cannot find alternatives to things that need to be done on Windows, they'll use Windows and other Microsoft tools. And finally, I doubt anyone makes it through university using only iOS and Android. I'd like to see some evidence for your claims.

fauigerzigerk 9y ago
>No they haven't. As evidence - there is an avalanche of young gamers and streamers using Windows. That's a niche. Most games are played on mobile these days. Just look at the sales numbers of gaming PCs. I did mention gaming by the way, so yes that is an area of hope for Microsoft, but it's small. >Those "entrenched Windows shops" are everywhere as well. Absolutely, and I said as much. But being entrenched doesn't necessarily make you relevant. It's not a safe bet that anyone would choose to build anything new on Microsoft tech just because the insurance sales guy still has his Windows laptop or because everyone logs into the corporate network via AD. Microsoft knows that. It's why they scramble to diversify away from Windows. They want us to use Azure. They want us to use their AI. They want us to use Office. They don't want to get dragged down by Windows, and I think Satya Nadella is doing a great job executing this strategy. But I also think the most difficult phase in this transition away from Windows is still ahead of us and it's not going to be easy. >I wouldn't call this computing...it's more like consumption. You do have a point there, but the things we do with computers and networks have changed. Even consumption requires a lot of computing, just not on the end user's device. When I do research as part of my work I use Google and sometimes Duckduckgo. There's a lot of computing going on, but it's mostly done on some Linux server. Even most line of business apps are now web based (with important exceptions). As a share of all computing that is done to keep a business running, I bet that even the most entrenched Windows shops now use less Windows specific tech than they used to.
- hungerstrike 9y ago
  > There's a lot of computing going on, but it's mostly done on some Linux server. Microsoft IIS has maintained close to 30% of public Web servers and that’s not even counting intranet servers where IIS likely has a majority market share. https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2016/02/22/february-2016-web-server-survey.html https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2016/02/22/february-2016-...

fauigerzigerk 9y ago

>No they haven't. As evidence - there is an avalanche of young gamers and streamers using Windows. That's a niche. Most games are played on mobile these days. Just look at the sales numbers of gaming PCs. I did mention gaming by the way, so yes that is an area of hope for Microsoft, but it's small. >Those "entrenched Windows shops" are everywhere as well. Absolutely, and I said as much. But being entrenched doesn't necessarily make you relevant. It's not a safe bet that anyone would choose to build anything new on Microsoft tech just because the insurance sales guy still has his Windows laptop or because everyone logs into the corporate network via AD. Microsoft knows that. It's why they scramble to diversify away from Windows. They want us to use Azure. They want us to use their AI. They want us to use Office. They don't want to get dragged down by Windows, and I think Satya Nadella is doing a great job executing this strategy. But I also think the most difficult phase in this transition away from Windows is still ahead of us and it's not going to be easy. >I wouldn't call this computing...it's more like consumption. You do have a point there, but the things we do with computers and networks have changed. Even consumption requires a lot of computing, just not on the end user's device. When I do research as part of my work I use Google and sometimes Duckduckgo. There's a lot of computing going on, but it's mostly done on some Linux server. Even most line of business apps are now web based (with important exceptions). As a share of all computing that is done to keep a business running, I bet that even the most entrenched Windows shops now use less Windows specific tech than they used to.

hungerstrike 9y ago
> There's a lot of computing going on, but it's mostly done on some Linux server. Microsoft IIS has maintained close to 30% of public Web servers and that’s not even counting intranet servers where IIS likely has a majority market share. https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2016/02/22/february-2016-web-server-survey.html https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2016/02/22/february-2016-...