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> Do you genuinely think that the GIMP developers don't want or don't try to make it usable or to improve it as much as they can? Ten years ago they made a cal

> Do you genuinely think that the GIMP developers don't want or don't try to make it usable or to improve it as much as they can? Ten years ago they made a call to artists to find out what they could improve, then didn't like the feedback they got and told the artists they were wrong. I guess that's how they got such a user hostile reputation.

jandrese 9y ago
I think most of the feedback they got was "copy Photoshop's interface", but I have to agree with some of the other users in this thread that Photoshop's interface can be shockingly non-intuitive in places.
- nkkollaw 9y ago
  There are 20 years of corporate-backed work behind Photoshop's UI. GIMP has nothing but to learn from it. There would be nothing negative about copying it outright.
  - jandrese 9y ago
    Yeah, but it's 20 years of Adobe, which is not a company that I highly respect. IMHO there is a good chunk of Photoshop's interface that is the way it is mostly for legacy reasons. Some random programmer thought the feature would be good in buried down in this dialog box off of a vaguely related menu option and it has lived their ever since.
    - nkkollaw 9y ago
      Adobe is a pretty great company I would think..? Regardless, I can actually scale objects easily by dragging in Photoshop, at least.
      - jandrese 9y ago
        Adobe the company that seems incapable of keeping up with Apple's API toolkits? How long did it take for Photoshop to go Cocoa?
prokoudine 9y ago
"Ten years ago they made a call to artists to find out what they could improve, then didn't like the feedback they got and told the artists they were wrong." You won't be able to prove this claim, because you made that up :)
- nkkollaw 9y ago
  Can you prove he made that up..?
  - prokoudine 9y ago
    Of course I can. We did two rounds of interviews with pro users, all done by UX/UI experts. Who then wrote a number of functional specs (see gui.gimp.org). We implemented all specs that were completed, some specs weren't completed, unfortunately, and there's always more work to do in that regard.
- epidemian 9y ago
  Thanks. I was really disappointed about the replies to my message. Because just claiming that "yes, they do not care, it's a fact", doesn't make it a fact. No links provided. Nothing. (In case someone wonders what's the evidence for claiming that the GIMP devs do actually care about the project: the evidence is the release itself. People don't volunteer to working on FOSS software and not care about the software or its users ;) )

jandrese 9y ago

I think most of the feedback they got was "copy Photoshop's interface", but I have to agree with some of the other users in this thread that Photoshop's interface can be shockingly non-intuitive in places.

nkkollaw 9y ago
There are 20 years of corporate-backed work behind Photoshop's UI. GIMP has nothing but to learn from it. There would be nothing negative about copying it outright.
- jandrese 9y ago
  Yeah, but it's 20 years of Adobe, which is not a company that I highly respect. IMHO there is a good chunk of Photoshop's interface that is the way it is mostly for legacy reasons. Some random programmer thought the feature would be good in buried down in this dialog box off of a vaguely related menu option and it has lived their ever since.
  - nkkollaw 9y ago
    Adobe is a pretty great company I would think..? Regardless, I can actually scale objects easily by dragging in Photoshop, at least.
    - jandrese 9y ago
      Adobe the company that seems incapable of keeping up with Apple's API toolkits? How long did it take for Photoshop to go Cocoa?

prokoudine 9y ago

"Ten years ago they made a call to artists to find out what they could improve, then didn't like the feedback they got and told the artists they were wrong." You won't be able to prove this claim, because you made that up :)

nkkollaw 9y ago
Can you prove he made that up..?
- prokoudine 9y ago
  Of course I can. We did two rounds of interviews with pro users, all done by UX/UI experts. Who then wrote a number of functional specs (see gui.gimp.org). We implemented all specs that were completed, some specs weren't completed, unfortunately, and there's always more work to do in that regard.
epidemian 9y ago
Thanks. I was really disappointed about the replies to my message. Because just claiming that "yes, they do not care, it's a fact", doesn't make it a fact. No links provided. Nothing. (In case someone wonders what's the evidence for claiming that the GIMP devs do actually care about the project: the evidence is the release itself. People don't volunteer to working on FOSS software and not care about the software or its users ;) )