> The proposal explains this pretty clearly, using Cargo as an example, and listing what the Go team sees as its shortcomings (at least for golang). Is there an

> The proposal explains this pretty clearly, using Cargo as an example, and listing what the Go team sees as its shortcomings (at least for golang). Is there an alternative extant approach that you think they've missed? That IS what I claim is wrong. There is no reason to argue about it. Yes, each existing solution has a problem. But so will their final solution. The differnce is that an existing solution doesn't need much time to invent, it's already invented. And you also already know what its shortcomings will be so you can handle them as well. The problem is having the arrogance to come up with something better given another 10 years. Unlikely and too huge an investment. > There are philosophical disagreements between advocates of different approaches here, and Go has very clearly picked its side. What is this discussion anyways? When I see go tools reraising errors from their underlying libraries, that is a clear, community wide bug. The user shouldn't care about what library you use, and certainly he shouldn't know your choice of library's ins and outs. Also it's very clear that if a 1 line function call has at least 3 more lines of code, that it is more spammy than Java. Yes, there are philosophical differences, but go didn't choose any of them but instead did something that is worse. In some regards it's the same as with package management. The choice was taken to solve a problem that was solved a thousand times already, and they had the hope that investing another 10 years of developer time they would come up with something better. Well, as statistics suggests they failed, badly. Would you invest 10 years of a whole community to invent a machine that keeps your milk cool? Probably not. You would probably buy a fridge and be done with it. > you probably should either suck it up Where does this arrogance come from? Are you 15 or something? A grown up person is confident when they achieved something, not when they failed at reinventing the wheel, which many people told them is a waste of time.