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>What bad actions? Uber disabled the safety systems included with the car that was involved in the incident. They relied solely on their own, half-baked tech w

>What bad actions? Uber disabled the safety systems included with the car that was involved in the incident. They relied solely on their own, half-baked tech when these systems could have saved the life of person who was killed: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-26/uber-disabled-volvo-suv-s-standard-safety-system-before-fatality https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-26/uber-disa...

qwerty456127 9y ago
Thanks. This makes sense then. Why did they do this?
- knuththetruth 9y ago
  One can only speculate at this point, but the only thing consistent about Uber is their recklessness and disregard for others.
  - mkempe 9y ago
    Indeed. Good engineering does not consist of disabling proven safety mechanisms for the sake of ones under development.
collingreene 9y ago
I remain interested in why the lidar didn't work in this case and I hope more details emerge so we can learn what happened. But it seems logical that Uber would disable the onboard built-in volvo crash detection feature, it would be adding another variable for a car that is intended to test one thing at a time. Its hard to see this solely as the "uber is being reckless" narrative instead of "maybe this is just how all self-driving cars are tested". I am happy to be proven wrong certainly
- MertsA 9y ago
  If the Volvo crash avoidance system actually took action then things have obviously already gone very very wrong and it's not like braking when that happens would ever be a bad thing. That's like saying we should remove safety nets from underneath tightropes lest it get in the gymnast's way.
- blensor 9y ago
  Why do you think the LIDAR did not work? The LIDAR might have worked just fine but what the system taking the output of the sensor did with the data is the question. If you want to know what we would expect the LIDAR to have seen in such a situation we did a simple simulation of such a scene here [1] If the LIDAR was defective the system processing the sensor output should detect that there is no data coming in and the problem should change the cars behavior accordingly not just drive on as if nothing is wrong. [1] http://www.blensor.org/lidar_accident.html http://www.blensor.org/lidar_accident.html
  - collingreene 9y ago
    > Why do you think the LIDAR did not work? The LIDAR might have worked just fine but what the system taking the output of the sensor did with the data is the question. Very true. I don't know either way.

qwerty456127 9y ago

Thanks. This makes sense then. Why did they do this?

knuththetruth 9y ago
One can only speculate at this point, but the only thing consistent about Uber is their recklessness and disregard for others.
- mkempe 9y ago
  Indeed. Good engineering does not consist of disabling proven safety mechanisms for the sake of ones under development.

collingreene 9y ago

I remain interested in why the lidar didn't work in this case and I hope more details emerge so we can learn what happened. But it seems logical that Uber would disable the onboard built-in volvo crash detection feature, it would be adding another variable for a car that is intended to test one thing at a time. Its hard to see this solely as the "uber is being reckless" narrative instead of "maybe this is just how all self-driving cars are tested". I am happy to be proven wrong certainly

MertsA 9y ago
If the Volvo crash avoidance system actually took action then things have obviously already gone very very wrong and it's not like braking when that happens would ever be a bad thing. That's like saying we should remove safety nets from underneath tightropes lest it get in the gymnast's way.
blensor 9y ago
Why do you think the LIDAR did not work? The LIDAR might have worked just fine but what the system taking the output of the sensor did with the data is the question. If you want to know what we would expect the LIDAR to have seen in such a situation we did a simple simulation of such a scene here [1] If the LIDAR was defective the system processing the sensor output should detect that there is no data coming in and the problem should change the cars behavior accordingly not just drive on as if nothing is wrong. [1] http://www.blensor.org/lidar_accident.html http://www.blensor.org/lidar_accident.html
- collingreene 9y ago
  > Why do you think the LIDAR did not work? The LIDAR might have worked just fine but what the system taking the output of the sensor did with the data is the question. Very true. I don't know either way.